New York Jets Mock Offseason: Cuts, Signings, and Mock Draft

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For some, this period between free agency and the start of the season is the most exciting time in professional football. It is a time for hope and possibility. Before a cleat even touches turf, fans fantasize about what hot prospect their team may acquire and how they can improve the squad. With that in mind, we take a gaze at the New York Jets possible future using all the tools and educated guessing at our disposal. This article will account for salary cap (using the Salary Cap Calculator), average salaries, and signing bonuses (using SportTrac’s Records). It will also include a Mock Draft (DraftTek) and account for the rookie salary cap. For a better understanding of my logic see: Ranking Offseason Priorities for the New York Jets.

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Salary Cap (before all transactions): $21,011,558

First Order of Business – Cuts

It is a virtual certainty that some of the most iconic names from the 2009-12 Jets will be salary cap casualties before the start of free agency (March 11). Mark Sanchez and Santonio Holmes have likely played their last snaps in green and white. Sanchez will get a much needed change of scenery and a chance to earn himself a starting job. The mercurial Holmes will have to wait for a new contract, one that will likely not please the receiver. Antonio Cromartie, two seasons removed from a Pro-Bowl berth, played himself out of his current contract last season. Cromartie’s play dropped precipitously and is not worth the starting money he is currently set to make. Cromartie himself expects to be cut but expressed interest in returning to the Jets.

Salary Cap (after cuts): $45,801,558

 In House Business – Re-Signings: 

  • Austin Howard: The first move the Jets will make will be to re-sign the big man. Though Howard is not a Pro Bowl candidate, he has solidified the right side of the line and proved to be a consistent presence. Howard has improved every year. He only gave up two sacks in 2013 and, though he has the occasional whiff, is a grinder in the run game. Contract: $4 million per year for 4 years, $3 million signing bonus with $750,000 prorated
  • Antonio Cromartie: Cro wants to be in New York and New York wants him here. He has become a leader in the secondary and, when healthy, is one of the top corners in the game. The hope will be that his 2013 season was a fluke due to the lingering hip injury and that he will be fully recovered before the start of 2014. It would behoove John Idzik to not guarantee Cro’s contract and include a games-played incentive. Contract: $4 million per year for 2 years
  • Calvin Pace: Though I imagine Pace’s signing comes late in the free agency period like last year, the Jets will resign the resurgent linebacker. Pace will be 34 next season and other teams will likely see his inflated sack totals as a result of the scheme and the dominant talent around him. That being said, Pace is consistent and deserving of another year in New York. Contract: $955,000 for 1 year
  • Willie Colon: Colon provided the 2013 Jets with attitude and toughness upfront. He was an immediate leader and a positive locker room presence. Though the spot could (and should) be improved, Colon will be brought back to compete. Contract: $1.5 million for 1 year
  • Nick Folk: Despite the Jets seemingly finding camp-fodder competition for Folk every year, he has been rock solid for New York. If Ryan Succop makes over two million per year then surely Folk deserves a raise. Simply put, pay the man! Contract: $2 million for 3 years
  • Aaron Berry: Though this move may surprise some, it is a near certainty. Berry has been on the verge of playing serious snaps in his two seasons with the Jets but has been derailed by injury. He was put on injured reserve last season and was still being paid. If the Jets didn’t have plans for the cornerback then he would have been cut ages ago. That being said, don’t expect anything more than a one year deal with heavy incentives for playing time. Contract: $850,000 for 1 year
  • Jeff Cumberland:  Assuming Dennis Pitta stays in Baltimore, the 2014 free agent tight ends leave much to be desired. Brandon Pettigrew could be an option here but is already in talks with Detroit about a likely return. I think the Jets stick with the “devil you know” strategy and bring Cumberland back for another go around. However, Cumberland has proven he is no better than a secondary tight end in multiple tight end packages. He struggles to play in-line and is an ineffective blocker. The team will look to the draft a starter. Contract: $1 million per year for 1 year

*Note: I expect a team to outbid for Douzable and for him to start somewhere next year. Winslow, Reed, and Cribbs are done in New York.

Salary Cap (after re-signings): $32,791,558

And Now the Fun Part – Free Agency:

  • Golden Tate: Tate is the most likely free agent wide receiver target for the Jets for a number of reasons. Decker will be overpaid and out of Idzik’s price range. Riley Cooper will be grossly overpaid. Jeremy Maclin will return to the Eagles. Anquan Boldin will return to the 49ers. Julian Edleman will return to the Patriots (Belichick will not make the Welker mistake twice). Hakeem Nicks and Emmanuel Sanders will not be options because, just, no. Furthermore, Tate fits Mornhinweg’s system well, Idzik was part of the room that drafted him, and he can automatically upgrade the return game. Tate is consistent, attacks the ball, and makes plays after the catch. Most importantly, he should be reasonably priced. Look for him to command around the same as Brian Hartline (≈$6.25 million per year) or Robert Meachem (≈$6.37 million per year). Contract: $7 million per year for 4 years, $10 million signing bonus with $2.5 million prorated
  • Walter Thurmond III: At only 26 years young, Thurmond is at the top of his game. Some in Seattle regard him as as the best cover man in the Seahawks secondary after Richard Sherman. Thurmond excels at press on the outside but can shift inside and cover the slot. He is also incredibly scheme diverse. With questions about Cromartie’s health and Kyle Wilson’s long term viability, bringing a player like Thurmond in to compete is an adept move. His drug suspension, while worrisome, should drive his asking price down, similar to Mike Goodson last off season. A deal can be made that voids his contract if he is suspended for another drug related incident (recent precedent was set with Justin Blackmon’s contract). You can never have enough depth at cornerback, especially if you ask Rex Ryan. Contract: $4 million per year for 3 years with $3.33 million prorated
  • James Jones: It has been reported that the Jets organization will look to upgrade not just the top level talent but the depth of the wide receiver position in free agency. Jones is the perfect candidate because unlike the aforementioned free agent crop, Jones comes with zero question marks and will not be overpaid. At age 30, Jones will still prove to be an upgrade at little cost and with low risk. Though it may be unpopular, this would be a very Idzikian move that would lessen the immediate need at the position when the draft rolls around. Contract: $3 million per year for 2 years
  • Jon Asamoah: The Jets will look to create a four or five way competition at guard. Brian Winters, WIllie Colon, Oday Aboushi, and Will Campbell will all be in consideration. However, while this free agent guard class is not outstanding, there are upgrades to be had. One could liken signing Asamoah to the Peterson signing last offseason but with more upside. Asamoah is young (26) and before being benched last season, showed the talent to start at this level. Because of his benching, Asamoah will likely come cheap and could lessen the need for Winters to start if he is still not ready. Asamoah won’t top Matt Slauson’s contract with the Bears ($3.2 million per year). Contract: $2.5 million per year for 2 years
  • Chad Henne: Make no mistake, Geno Smith will likely be a 16 game starter for the Jets next season. However, the depth behind him is non-existent and should he struggle or get injured the Jets would be in a bad spot. Henne could spot start and push Smith in camp. Another passer may be an option (e.g. Shaun Hill) but Henne (28) makes the most sense as a long term backup/spot starter. Contract: $1 million per year for 2 years

Salary Cap (after Free Agency): $12,363,225

The Ones that Got Away:

There is a very high demand for a safety upgrade in New York. However, the board doesn’t seem to be breaking in the Jets favor. TJ Ward, if he hasn’t inked a new contract before the franchise period ends, will be tagged. Donte Whitner has expressed serious interest in returning to the Bay and a willingness to be tagged or even take a hometown discount. Stevie Brown, who would be a cheaper upgrade, is on the verge of re-signing with the Giants. I expect the Jets to take a serious run at Jarius Byrd but alas, will be outbid. Byrd wants to be the highest paid saftey in the NFL, a title currently held by Eric Berry who is set to earn $50,045,000 with a whopping 51% guaranteed. Byrd’s new contract will exceed nine million dollars per year (Polamalu made $9,866,667 last year, Berry made $8,340,833) and be way out of the Jets price range. Byrd will also require a signing bonus that, on the low end, will be approximately ten million dollars. That would require the Jets spending over twenty million dollars on him this year alone (leaving the Jets with under two million dollars in cap space for the rookies). Let some other team take that hit. Landry, Allen, and a rookie safety will do fine for another season.

The Rule of 51 and the Rookie Salary Cap

As part of the new CBA, the Rule of 51 states that only the 51 richest contracts on an NFL roster count towards the salary cap. This rule allows teams to have the average 90+ players enter camp. Teams can sign veterans to reasonable contracts, only to cut them in camp. Because their salaries don’t count until the final 53 is decided, if a veteran is outplayed by a cheaper player, the vet can be cut with few cap implications (e.g. Antonio Garay and Braylon Edwards). Further more, it means that most rookie salaries don’t count towards the cap. In fact, when you account for the average rookie salary by round, only first and second round picks (≈$1.5 million in the first year) would count towards the 51. Therefore, you only need to account for ≈$3 million for rookies. Speaking of rookies…

Mock Draft:

  • Round 1 – Pick 18: Marquise Lee – WR
  • Round 2 – Pick 49: Kyle Van Noy – OLB
  • Round 3 – Pick 69: Ahmad Dixon – S
  • Round 3 – Pick 80: CJ Fiedorowicz – TE
  • Round 4 – Pick 111: Donte Moncreif – WR
  • Round 5 – Pick 142: David Fales – QB
  • Round 6 – Pick 179: Michael Campanaro – WR
  • Round 7 – Pick 211: Dri Archer – RB

*Jace Amaro, Odell Beckham JR, and Allen Robinson were still on the board at 18 but I like Lee’s ceiling the most and was impressed by what he has been able to do with inconsistent QB play.

**Amaro, Austin Seferian Jenkins, and the rest of my first and second round rated WRs were taken by 49. Van Noy was tremendous value that late in the second and could be an immediate starter opposite Coples.

***I took Dixon as he was my BPA and had good value at the spot. I took the risk that Fiedorowicz, who I considered at that spot, would be available with the second third rounder.

**** Fales (5th round) and Archer (7th) were both amazing value picks. Fales was considered a first rounder in some circles and Archer has drawn favorable comparisons to Gio Bernard. I doubt Archer will be there in the 7th but if he is the Jets should jump. Archer could be a game changer and Fales would provide good depth and competition for Smith.

Salary Cap (after the Draft): $9,353,225

The approximately nine million left over allows the team extra flexibility (see camp cuts/extensions) and good cap space for the next 3 seasons:

  • 2015 – $37,085,830
  • 2016 – 63,884,083
  • 2017 – $92,914,000

One thing to remember is that with Colon/Asamoah, Cro/Thurmond, James Jones/Rookie(s), the chances are that some of these signings don’t make the final 53.

Without Further Ado – Final 53:

  • QB: Smith, Henne, Fales
  • HB: Ivory, Powell, Goodson, Archer
  • FB: Bohanon
  • WR: Tate, Lee, Jones, Kerley, Nelson, Moncreif, Salas, Campanaro
  • TE: Fiedorowicz, Cumberland, Sudfeld
  • OL: Mangold, Ferguson, Howard, Winters, Colon, Asamoah, Ijalana, Aboushi, Schlauderaff
  • DL: Wilkerson, Richardson, Harrison, Ellis, Coples (DE/LB)
  • LB: Harris, Davis, Van Noy, Pace, Barnes, Bellore, Mauga
  • CB: Cromartie, Milliner, Thurmond, Wilson, Berry, Walls
  • S: Landry, Allen, Dixon, Bush
  • Specials: Folk, Quigly

Sound off in the comments!

  • tonycil

    Agree with most except I dont believe they cut Hill yet. One more year does it for him

  • GeorgieBoy

    I love the Thurmond signing, and see him as a starting caliber corner.

    Also love the value of Van Noy in the 2nd. That would be a huge win if he’s there for the Jets.

    The QB I want in the draft is Aaron Murray, who will likely fall more than he deserves due to size and injury concerns, but Fales represents a similar type player, just without the SEC pedigree.

    This is a sane, realistic outlook on the offseason, and I think we can expect some facsimile of it. I agree, don’t think Idzik will make the big splashy signing like Byrd. But all these moves seem solid, and very un-Tannenbaum like. Which means good!

  • Kyle

    This is an excellent post cole. A realistic and very possible mock draft. The only complaints I have are colon will probably get half of that 1.5m and was S Deone Bucannon on the board when you selected Dixon? Bucannon would be a great value in the early 3rd round. He’s a ballhawk and a big hitter.

  • Kyle

    Also with only 4 saftied on the roster would you bring back Reed to play 20-25 snaps per game and mentor the young guys like dee and Allen? I think the jets will bring him back if this scenario occurred.

  • Danish Jes

    This would be a dream scenario IMO. Good point on Byrd being too expensive and the Jets talking a safety in the third round instead. I might go for the RB in round 6, to make sure we get him.

  • Danish Jes

    *Realistic dream scenario

  • John X

    I like your scenario with Thurmond with Cromartie – two question marks could equal one position. Very imaginative.

    Everyone has their own twist on things and I’m sure no two are alike with the ways you can approach all the positions in need. That said, I think you have too many WR’s (2 FA + 3 draft) and of course, we’ll have more picks once the comp picks come out with more 3rd day picks for the D.

    Thanks for a good guide

  • Nick Evans

    I really like your Aaron berry re-signing. I was real excited when we picked him up from Detroit due to his physical play style. He’ll provide very good depth in our secondary as he was really coming into his own in Detroit before troubles led him to being released and ending up with us. Bad luck with injuries has derailed him but I still like his skill set. However, I still believe Reed will be back at some point. Rex’s love for him coupled with reeds desire to play are reasons he will be back. He’ll come relatively cheap and provide good depth and be a great influence to a young secondary with his knowledge of the defense. This time Rex will use him properly and not start him making Reed more effective.
    In the draft I would target a TE like Nicklas in round 2 and go after a pass rusher in round 3 like attachou or telvin smith. However if we ended up with van noy I would be upset one bit. I would also be on the lookout for Bruce Ellington in the later rounds the kid has good hands, excellent route running skills and exceptional speed and acceleration. Great post well written and thought out. Would be an excellent offseason if this came out. Our WR corps would be extremely dangerous.

  • David

    I don’t see the Jets re-signing Pace for $955,000. Say what you want to, but there will be some team out there looking for a semblance of a pass rush that won’t get past the 10 sacks and giving him 2.5-4 million for 1 or 2 years in the hopes that he can “upgrade” the pass rush.

  • Richard A

    Great Article!

    If Idzik can pull this off he would would be a genius. Infuse low cost FA options who can produce, mixed with a talented rookie class. competition competition competition!!!

    Lets get to playoffs

  • KAsh

    I applaud the effort. The contract details and free agency developments have been thoroughly thought out and there are some interesting inclusions like Thurmond and Berry.

    But this is a really good example of good individual moves that result in an inevitable total collapse. You took a list of needs and came up with creative ways to address them with good players, but there is no overarching theme or vision. The entire makeup of our special teams is gone, aside from cornerbacks, the defense has only degressed, and the new offensive playmakers make very odd bedmates. Aside from Archer in the backfield, which makes a good unit great, everything else remains a massive hole.

  • Landon

    Round 4 – Pick 111: Donte Moncreif – WR

    BEST PICK in the later rounds! He is going to be an NFL Gem.

  • Famous J

    I love everything about the mock except for the need to resign Calvin Pace. I think the Jets could get a better upgrade at OLB than resigning a 34year old player. Brain Orkapo, Jason Worilds or a DeMarcus Ware (if cut or trade) would be much better options. Expect the Jets to restructure some contracts to get further under the salary cap.

  • Lidman

    Kash,

    Instead of writing a poetic soliloquy, give examples. You may have a disagreement on player selection, but that’s a different argument. I love the conclusion ‘…there is no overarching theme or vision’. What the heck does that mean?

    ‘The entire makeup of our special teams is gone..’ Did the NYJ have much on S/T? He has them bringing back Folk, adding Tate-a proven PR, and drafting Archer-a very good college KR (though I don’t think he lasts until rd 7.

    ‘aside from cornerbacks, the defensed has only degressed’. How? He keeps Pace, adds Van Noy and adds Dixon to the developing Allen and Bush. Oh wait, I guess you mean he didn’t replace Douzable…really? Sidebar: ‘degressed’ isn’t a word. Degression, a noun, is word. Regression is a verb, and I believe you mean ‘regressed’.

    ‘and the new offensive playmakers make very odd bedmates..’ Again, what does that mean? Adding Tate, Jones, Lee, Moncrief and Campanaro to Kerley, Nelson, Hill and Salas upgrades that position: you have outside speed: Lee, Moncrief, Hill. You have some after the catch ability: Tate, Lee. You have maneuverablity in the slot, to find soft spots: Kerley, Nelson and Campanaro. Finally, you have size to compete for the ball: Nelson, Jones, Moncrief and Tate (for those who say he plays bigger than 5’10″).
    Will they all pan out that way? I don’t know, but how do they make ‘odd bedmates’?
    At TE, Fiedoriwicz gives you a big target-who some believe was under utilized in the Iowa passing game-who projects as a sufficient blocker. While Cumberland is your ‘passing game TE’ and Sudfeld your upside guy. Please..explain to me where the ‘massive hole’ is??

    Again, you may have differing opinions on the specific draft picks/free agents, which I get. If that’s the case, spell it out.

    For instance, you like J Abbrederis. He had a nice college career. However, he spent 5yrs in college. He didn’t really start to dominate until he was a Junior/Senior and he was playing against younger kids. Moncrief, on the other hand dominated SEC comp, at 19 and 20. Lay out some facts. If we wanted creative writing, we could go to another website.

  • Santonio Holmes

    Man waddup c’mon fella u guys know i’m staying. talked to john this wk and he told me that i’m going to take a massive pay cut but i’m ok man toneisbackkk

  • Chris j

    Kash is a douche with every comment he makes

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  • Justin C.

    So is Purdy number 53?

  • Justin C.

    So is Purdum number 53 on your mock roster?

  • Nikolas

    I like the FA signings. But in the draft the Jets have to get a RB. Also if we sign 2 FA WR, why spick so many WR in the draft? What about a good ILB? I would like the following draft

    Pick 18: Marquise Lee – WR
    Pick 49: Kyle Van Noy – OLB
    Pick 69: Chris Borland ILB
    Pick 80: CJ Fiedorowicz – TE
    Pick 111: Charles Sims RB
    Pick 142: Kenny Ladler FS
    Round 6 – Pick 179: Huff Marqueston
    Round 7 – Pick 211: Matt Hazel – WR

  • ret2ski

    Excellent article, but I would like to see your mock with comp picks added. I’m thinking at least a 5th, 6th & a couple of 7ths.

  • KAsh

    @Lidman

    Sorry, my answer will have to wait. I was writing by lamplight and accidently hit the reload button, so my detailed response was lost. It is 2:30AM where I am right now and tomorrow is as important a day as any. I can summarize my answer in two vague sentences:

    My detailed response makes me sound much more critical of Cole than I am.
    And Cole’s roster and approach lacks beauty.

  • Cole Patterson

    Thanks for all the feedback guys!

    GeorgieBoy: I also like Murray and he was an option over Campanaro but I just don’t think you can justify drafting 2 late round QBs (as neither will play specials) and Fales had amazing value.

    Kyle: If idzik got Colon for less that’d be great! Buchanon went to the Cowboys right before the Jets went on the clock. I just don’t see Ed Reed back because Idzik had to see the negative impact his playing time made on the defense and know Rex can’t help himself when it comes to playing time.

    John X: I was concerned about the number of WRs and could definitely see the Moncrief, Fales, Campanaro, or Archer picks going in a different direction. But the way the board broke I had them as the best values.

    KAsh: I’m curious as to what you mean by theme or vision in this context? Also, in what way are the wide receivers an odd pairing?

    On defense, the return of a healthy Barnes, a full season of Coples, and new talent in Van Noy and Dixon? Nothing has been subtracted (outside of Douzable, Lankster, and Trufant). On specials: Dixon, Bush, Berry, Wilson, Walls, Bellore, Mauga, Cumberland, Sudfeld, Moncreif, Salas, Campanaro, and Archer can all contribute. Also, the Jets have a new Special Teams Coordinator and a certain level of overhaul is to be expected.

    Tanner Purdum: Sorry.

  • Lidman

    Kash..

    Good luck tomorrow..no need for a detailed response.

  • KAsh

    The most obvious problems with the final roster are on defense. Wilkerson and Richardson have no backup. (Coples is incorrectly listed as a d-lineman, and once you correct that, the core issues become clear.) Shelly and Mo will wear out in games and over the season. There is nobody to replace them if they are injured. Most importantly, we no longer have the amount of d-linemen needed for a nickel formation. The linebackers are funny: Coples is a starter on one side, but the other side is up in the air. Barnes is a pass rusher; Pace is too old and his skills are at setting the edge; Van Noy is still undersized (244 lbs.) and struggles when the ball is run straight at him. If Pace starts, he is a marked man and a liability, but Van Noy will be exploited if he starts, and you still need Barnes to have some blitzes with Coples, so your two best pass rushers can be on the field at one time. So, Barnes would be a waste as a backup to Coples, Van Noy cannot back up Coples because he needs to learn to play on the other side, and Pace is worthless as a backup. The corners are solid (maybe too solid; I’ll touch on them later) but Dixon is a good safety that is a lot like Jarett. Change Jarett to Dixon and you have the exact same safeties, with the exact same problems, you had last year. To summarize, your d-line is now short on people, your linebackers now have a glimmer of hope in a backup, but the same bleak present of last year, you changed your nickel corner from Wilson to Thurmond, but the rest of the secondary is the same as last year, and this all took you nine transactions out of the twenty-three you made (you forgot that you need to resign Walls, Bellore, and Mauga, too).

    Now, I can attempt to explain what I mean by “lacks beauty” and “theme or vision.” This is a well-researched and well-thought out approach that identifies needs and addresses them with creative solutions. But it is all science and no art. Nine transactions on the defense, and, in the end, you tread water. Wasted movement, movement for the sake of movement, attempting to fix with quantity over impact, and seeing the team as just a summation of parts.

    The effect can be most easily seen on special teams. You can look at the Jets current roster: when you know the players, the special teamers can be separated from the roster with surgical precision. Besides QBs, if they are not a starter, they are clear ST contributors. On your roster, there are too many heir apparents that you do not want playing special teams, and the rest have no rhyme or rhythm to them. Lankster and Trufant were the stars of our ST and we have always used small, fast, agile DBs to lead the charge on our stop units. Walls, Berry, and even Wilson are in a different mold than them, and their places on the roster are replaced with wideouts that are of questionable use. You have just five-six guys that can lead block and/or take out lead blockers. By reference, the current roster has at least nine (Bohanon, Bellore, Cunningham, McIntyre, Allen, Bush, Jarett, Pantale, Sudfeld). Cunningham, McIntyre, Jarett, and Pantale are gone, Mauga is back, Dixon comes in, but Allen becomes too important to play on ST. You addressed punt returner and kick returner, which are visible and easy, but forgot both their protection and the players that would stop them. Most of your new signings are guys that might become starters someday; their contribution to special teams was not factored in and they are a smorgasbord of flawed prospects at their individual positions, not a unified unit. Your special teams look like a bunch of guys on the field.

    Special teams and offense are really where Joe’s concept of getting the best available player goes wrong. Archer is a great addition; he could take our running backs to another level. Asamoah is a waste; he has no effect on the starters and bumps a second-year guard that has never seen the field off the roster for about an extra $2 million/year. You either throw Fiedorowicz to the wolves or, more likely, condemn the offense to another season of Cumberland starting as C.J. adjusts to the pros. Not a single one of these four moves was bad by itself, but only one has promise. Forget about Asamoah and use the money to sign another tight end (if Pettigrew stays in Detroit, Pitta in Baltimore, and Graham in NO, you are not resigning Cumby for just $1 million anyway, so pray that someone likes money and the chance to be one of the few TEs in demand) and you can have four TEs on the roster; starter 1, Cumby as the second-option, Fiedo to spell the starter and for STs, and Sudfeld as a fourth option and also on STs.

    Finally, the wide receivers are good additions that might not work together as well as they do alone. Tate and Lee are almost identical as players: undersized, but with great speed, and routes to gain separation and YAC. Good players individually, but will steal each other’s roles on the offense. The addition of Jones bumps Kerley to fourth receiver. This is a repeat of the mistake with always changing Sanchez’s receivers. Jones is not even all that good – at least not that much better than Kerley – to keep him on the team after Lee’s addition. The rest of the backups are overkill. Nelson and Moncrief are similar players that do not have a counterpart among the starters. Salas and Campanero are similar to Tate and Lee, but I see your resistance to have your tallest receiver 6’1″ James Jones. The result is eight receivers on the full time roster, with nowhere near enough snaps to justify it. These are all good signings individually, but none of them is the final piece or the home run with bases loaded. This is an improvement ovver what we used to have before, but they just do not work well together.

    Besides Pace, these are all good signings by themselves. But the picture of the team does not get any clearer with each additional signing. Once you sign Tate, Lee already does not look nowhere near as attractive. When you get Pace and Van Noy, you cause a competition for snaps that is not easily resolved. When you get Dixon to get better at safety, you accidentally recreate last year’s problems in the secondary. A bunch of good signings that do not work.

  • Lidman

    As I said..didn’t need a detailed explanation. What I find really funny is when you addressed the blocking on ST. You don’t block on fair catches, which the NYJ led the league in. You’re telling me that the coaching staff won’t be able to teach Van Noy, Dixon or anyone else to play ST? If that’s the case, this new ST coach isn’t going to have a job very long.

    Lee and Tate aren’t the same player. First off, Lee will measure between 6’0 and 6’1″, while Tate is 5’10′ (Sammy Watkins isn’t going to measure bigger than 6’1″). Lee is a burner (low 4.4s), while Tate is a 4.55 guy.

    In all your posturing, do you take ‘coaching’ into account? First, how you know Van Noy would be ineffective is beyond me. However, has Rex not proven his ability to get the most out of players? Harrison, Maybin, Allen, Davis, Milliner, Ihedibo, DeVito, Cromartie, Wilkerson, Leonhard (I could go on)…these are all players who most thought were either limited, had peformed below their draft grade or were projects. I think it’s fair to say, Rex, and his staff, was able to coach up all of these guys to a higher than expected level. Do you not think there is DLman out there, who Rex could plug into Douzable’s spot?

    I generally hate metaphors, but you ‘fail to see the forest for the trees’. You’re way too worried about minutae. Did you see the Seahawks this year? It was a simple brand of football really. You want to get better, bring in better players and put those players in positions to use their superior abilities and make plays. It’s not as difficult as you make it out to be. You’re not playing a symphony here, it’s a football team.

  • KAsh

    @Lidman

    I was not responding to you alone. I hesitated responding now, but your arguments were just too funny.

    You hate metaphors; I love quotes. “The pure and simple truth is rarely pure and never simple.”

    Seattle just went after “better players?” ROFL. Define “better.” Once you try, you will see how ludicrous your statement is. Seattle knew exactly what type of players it wanted and went after them. Or did you think the fact that their starters are close to interchangeable on their units was just a coincidence? If they just went after “better” players, they would either be in cap hell or have a linebacker that cannot cover next to a linebacker that cannot stuff the run.

    Lee will measure at 6′ 1″? Drumroll, please. The Combine says: 5′ 11.5″. A full inch taller than Tate! And Tate ran a 4.42 40. Wait, that’s in the “low 4.4s” isn’t it? Glad they are so different.

    NYJ led the league in fair catches? Get less blockers! That is bound to help! You could have the Flash returning punts for the Jets and he would still fair catch all the time because three guys would be on him as soon as the shadow from the ball hit him. You need a maximum of two guys to return punts and kicks and you need a minimum of ten guys to block for them. When punting and kicking, you do not need the returners, but you still need guys to get to the ball. But yeah, you can just train a backup o-lineman to do that.

    Finally, Van Noy can be coached up? First off, you put words into my mouth: I never said anything about Van Noy being ineffective. I mentioned that Van Noy struggles against rushes that come straight at him because he is undersized. He already struggled with this in college, when he was facing underweight tackles and fullbacks. The only way Rex is coaching that up in three-four months is if he shoots up Van Noy with anabolics himself. Actually, Van Noy would need an IV bag full of steroids permenantly attached to him as soon as he is drafted to solve his problems against the run this season. Rex coaches players up, but a) he is not a miracle worker and is unable to make a prospect do something he is physically unable to, and b) Rex changes his scheme to include only what his players can do. Rex can coach up Van Noy, but he cannot teach a 245-lbs. LB to anchor against the run, and Rex can coach up Dixon, but he cannot teach a strong safety to gain sideline-to-sideline speed or become a ballhawk.

  • Sean F

    I’m sold!! Its not too overambitious either. Excellent job here Mr.Patterson, I like the cut of your jib.

  • Harold

    Your salary cap numbers look off to me. Unless you did something with the numbers I can’t see your numbers don’t add up.

  • Lidman

    Kash..following up..you were right on the speed thing. I was surprised Lee ran as slow as he did. He did measure 6’0″, as I thought he would.

    I was sick all weekend, so did watch some of the combine-the most boring thing ever. In any number of scouting reports you can reader: ‘plays bigger/faster…’. It struck me, how many WR/RB actually start from a sprinters stance? I think the better measurement would be to measure their top end speed between 10 and 50, during the 60yd dash, for a pure 40yd time. I also think explosiveness is probably more closely related to broad/vertical jump.

    But, you were right on the numbers. I was a big Moncrief fan well before this weekend. When I see his production combined with his combine performance, I actually can make a case for taking him over anyone, including Watkins. He’s been at Ole Miss for 3yr. He hasn’t played with the same level of talent as a lot of the other big name WR, and he’s had very solid production. So, while I’d love the NYJ to wind up with a Watkins or Evans, I don’t see why they are top 15 guys, and Moncrief is somewhere between 97-128.

    As for your other points, I think they are all opinion. You’re entitled to them. I just think you’re complicating things too much.

  • Cole Patterson

    @Harold – I used overthecap.com’s Salary Cap Calculator and input the base salaries, bonuses, and prorations. I trusted their metrics in creating my final cap numbers.

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