No Huddle – Post Super Bowl Edition

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TJ Rosenthal kicks off another week of New York Jets coverage at Turn On The Jets with his weekly No Huddle - Make sure to give TJ a follow on Twitter on Turn On The Jets a follow on Facebook.

The great Peyton Manning didn’t deserve to fall victim to a one sided 43-8 disaster in front of the entire world. Not after a record breaking season that followed those neck surgeries that threatened his career. This as he attempted to cement his legacy for those who count a quarterback’s Super Bowl victories as the true measure of greatness despite football being a team sport made up of 53 guys. Oh the cruelty.

Seattle earned it though. They were faster, fearless in the face of no prior Super Bowl experience, and more aggressive physically in all phases. Their defense proved why they were dominating opponents all season. Their offense ran hard and protected the ball all day, while the receivers to their credit held onto every fastball that Russell Wilson threw. Wilson himself was poised and timely on deliveries and decision making regarding when to escape pressure.

Don’t forget the Seahawks special teams either, and the speed of Percy Harvin. Whose effective first half reverses were the pre cursor to the kick return for TD that started the second half and more or less ended the game at 29-0. The Seahawks played all day with the energy that Bruno Mars and the Chili Peppers gave at halftime. The Broncos came out in Bon Iver speed. Before Flea could even jump around Met Life stadium with his bass, the game was over.

The Coach and the Quarterback

Now Jets fans have to wonder how much of the Champion Seahawks blueprint ex Hawk Sr Director of Football Operations John Idzik has in mind for Gang Green. The Jets GM will get a chance to show what type of eye he has for talent again soon enough. With some cap room too this time around. As for the two main pieces, HC and signal caller, one could argue that both clubs have a similar intent.

Pete Carroll is and has always been one of the guys. The Jets have in Rex Ryan, a defensive minded players coach of their own too. Both relate to their guys, and don’t need the old school applications of fear and constant negativity to be successful. Carroll’s hyper fast defense, combined with the moxy of Wilson and greatness of Marshawn Lynch have however widened the gap between the two coaches for now.

Geno Smith was drafted to bring some of the traits Wilson has over to the Jets. Like Wilson, Geno is calm, has the arm strength, and mobility. Smith is not as explosive of a runner though. To become more than a decent knock off version of Wilson, Smith will have to among other things, break out sooner and make his legs more of a weapon when the chance to scramble is there.

The Pats Fired Carroll Too But…

Congratulations to coach Carroll. The one time inexperienced HC that Jets owner Leon Hess canned after the 1994 crash in order to make room for a maniacal dash to Rich Kotite. “Hey the Patriots fired Carroll too after the Jets did” you say? True but they didn’t fuel up the private plane to race over at mach speed to pick up Kotite from the unemployment line. Instead, they grabbed the guy who ditched you guessed it, the Jets at the podium in 2000. Bill Belichick. Happy Monday folks.

Sheldon And Warren

Last week in the days leading up to the big game, as we learned that Sheldon Richardson had won 2013 defensive rookie of the year, Hall of Famer Warren Sapp said “Let’s not anoint this kid the next best thing since sliced bread yet.. He’s not that highly skilled of a pass rusher.. If you’re highly skilled, you should be able to rush the passer, right?… [He's] a run stuffer in a pass-first league.”

No Warren, Richardson is a difference maker, even though he is not a prototypical pass rush guy. He is timely in the clutch already and by the way is too valuable to be on goal line offense anymore. Sapp is unfairly comparing him to sack mastering models of the past, and even himself (as others have), but Richardson has his own type of swagger. He will continue to learn and grow because he is hungry and respects the game. No matter how many sacks that officially leads to.

As for Sapp’s ability to predict the future, I hear he bet 100,000 bucks on Denver winning yesterday. So there you go.

Mike Vick Anyone?

Rotoworld noted on Sunday that “Adam Schefter reported on Sunday Countdown that the Jets and Bucs are both “expected to have some level of interest” in free agent Michael Vick. This should come as no surprise to any of us. Vick and OC Marty Mornhinweg worked together in Philly. Vick has the mobility the Jets now like many clubs seem to covet.

A veteran backup is essential. That we all know. I guess the question is, would you folks be willing to overpay a little in order to grab him over the other options currently on the market?

Namath And The Fur Coat

So Joe Namath botched the coin toss and inspired PETA to release statements about his fur coat moments after kickoff. Hey it was a mistake made with a little flair. Once a Jet always a Jet, right? Of course this all took place days after speaking about the brain damage he believes he has from all of the hits taken in his career. So naturally, I initially feared that an ugly barrage highlighting the correlation would follow on twitter. Luckily the jokes centered mainly around the coat. Fair enough. Besides, Joe has heard the boos before. He can take it.

Broadway Joe has never gone away even though he left the Jets as a player way back in 1976. He loves being a face and voice for the organization. He cares like the diehards do because he is one himself. There are those who get angry or embarrassed when he sticks his nose in the current team’s business at times which he done frequently over the past few years. I don’t mind though. I often like what he has to say about the team, it’s players, and the sport itself. When it comes to Namath nowadays, it’s a matter of taste. Like the fur coat itself.

Quick Hits:

- Super Bowl 48 entertainer Bruno Mars combined stage energy with a host of musical genres. He didn’t need to swing on a wrecking ball, or pop out of some spaceship to excite anyone about the music. When singing and grooving is done from the soul with conviction it hits harder than any shtick can. Living off of bells and whistles on stage is the equivalent of trying to win football games based on gadget plays.

- What if there really is no starting market for Mark Sanchez. What about one for Tarvaris Jackson who hasn’t started in two years? Jackson has been forgotten by many but may still have potential to some team. If Jackson leaves Seattle as Wilson’s insurance policy for a better situation elsewhere, couldn’t you just see the Sanchise and Pete Carroll reuniting? Especially if Pete believes what he says when he says that Sanchez can be successful again.

- The Jets and John Idzik reminded Geno Smith days ago to act like a Jet after a few recent minor off the field incidents. Idzik said “We hold our players to a high standard — on the field and off the field. That’s part of acting like a Jet. It’s not only playing like a Jet, it’s acting like a Jet. Everyone understands that.” We all rush too fast to judge and report nowadays but like all players do, Smith has to accept that and be careful. The team may be trying to build around him. It’s an opportunity to cherish and not screw up. Don’t give the vultures a reason Geno.

- I couldn’t help but think that Rex Ryan must have given John Fox and Carroll challenge flag lessons in New York this past week after both threw one in the first half on Sunday and lost a time out because of it. Carroll had better reason to. It was worth seeing if Wilson had reached out with his arm on third down by the sideline to gain the first down. Fox ‘s challenge of a pass that simply didn’t come off as a backwards lateral felt more like wishful thinking on his part.

- Speaking of laterals, with the Jets leading the Raiders 27-23 and just minutes left in the 1968 AFL championship, Raider QB Daryl Lamonica threw an ill fated swing pass behind the line of scrimmage. One that occurred inside the Jets twenty yard line that Jets LB Ralph Baker scooped up. The play essentially sealed the game and sent the Jets to Super Bowl III.

  • JerryB

    I’d rather see Sanchez as our QB than the dog-torturer Vick.

  • Lidman

    -Someone should remind Sapp, as a rookie he had 3 sacks, 17 solo tackles and 26 combined tackles. This year, SRich had 3.5 sacks, 42 solo and 77 combined tackles. He’s clearly simply trying to bring himself attention. He went broke, maybe he thinks this is the way to become more marketable?

    -On challenges, I am sure all teams have ‘a guy upstairs’ responsible for telling the HC to challenge, or not. I’ll also bet sometimes the HC tells ‘that guy’: “look, I’m going to throw it anyway, it’s too important here and I need to take a shot”. In those cases, why don’t teams simply take a time out and get better look at the play in question? Look, if they’re right, sure it can be viewed as a wasted TO. However, if they decide not to challenge, they’ll have lost the TO, but at least it will let them keep a challenge. In both these cases, the teams were left without 1H challenges and lost the opportunity to ‘earn’ a 3rd challenge. On the Wilson play, what I thought was obvious was there wasn’t indisputable evidence, to turn the call on the field. Fox’ call was stupid. Anyone who saw the play, in real time, could tell you the pass was forward. In both those cases, if you call a TO, you’re likely to come the correct decision and all you’ll have lost is the TO you would have lost anyway. I think you need to value those challenges more.

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  • KAsh

    Are things so dreary and dark in Jetsfanland these days that the only sliver of hope is remaking the team into a (cheap) “knock off” of the Seahawks? Geno Smith is not Russell Wilson and we need Seattle’s blueprint like Marshawn Lynch needs a stalker paparazzi.

    PS What is Seattle’s blueprint? All-Pro DBs drafted with the 150th pick or later? Is that any kind of plan? Speed? Our best players, current and rising, are not known for speed and those that are warm the bench. Youth? You cannot get much younger and not without simplifying your schemes. You hope Idzik has learned how to analyze rosters and evaluate talent in his career prior to the Jets and that he gets his coaches the very best combination of players possible. But to wish for Idzik to follow Seattle’s tail is to want a GM that is not his own man.

  • Dan in RI

    Please, no Vick.

    Idzik has done a nice job so far. If he can follow the Seattle blueprint, great. But there’s a lot of luck that went into Seattle’s ascendancy. Wilson was so much better than anyone expected. Kam Chancellor and Richard Sherman were both fifth round picks. If some of the Jets picks work out as well as those picks, the Jets will be in very good shape. Sometimes it;s better to be lucky than good–and sometimes you have to be very lucky to find players that are very good late in the draft.

  • John X

    Can’t get younger than David Harris, Calvin Pace, Dawan Landry, Antonio Cromartie (70 y.o. hip) and Ed Reed?
    Cheap knock-off? Wilkerson, Richardson, Harrison, Coples, Davis, Milliner, Allen…I promised I wouldn’t get into an exchange with you and I’ll try not to but such idiocy can’t be unchallenged. Maybe that’s not true – everyone can read your post.

    Are you listening to yourself? OMG!
    Very funny post.

  • John X

    The blueprint isn’t about attaining all-pros at every position but that seems to be lost on some here. The style of play, the focus on making these pass-happy teams earn every yard while at the same time making them one-dimensional added to a balanced offensive attack to keep these teams off the field are the recipe for success.
    The past 3 Super Bowl champions all had this in common and your uber-finesse teams can no longer compete. The Giants, Ravens, and Seahawks all had good defenses and balanced offenses to complement strong TEAM play. If you can’t see this, then I can’t help you…just keep arguing against the results – 3 consecutive Super Bowl champions.
    Other teams are right behind these teams – SF, CAR, CIN, SD and our Jets can also be in the mix. Teams such as MIA, NE, DEN, GB, NO, ATL don’t pose the threat they did 3-4 years ago. Let them pass all they want. We’ll see Manning’s puzzled, frustrated look yet again.

  • Jonathan Richter

    Not sure I like the rules about challenging the spotting of the ball. In a sense Carroll won his challenge because the ball was respotted about a yard closer to the 1st down marker. It went from 4th and 1 to 4th and an inch. Ultimately Seattle kicked anyway, but suppose they had gone for it and made it by an inch? The overturned spot call would clearly have benefited them.

    Maybe they should have a separate type of challenges for spots. You get one, but if successful you get a second.

  • Lidman

    John X…

    Grouping this year’s Seattle team, with 2011 NYG-finished 25th in points allowed, and 27th in yards allowed, on defense and 2012 Baltimore-finished 13th in points allowed and 17th in yards allowed isn’t persuasive. Neither of those teams physically dominated their opponents. Baltimore was truly balanced offensively, but the NYG finished 8th in total yards per game, and dead last in rushing yards, so I see no balance there.

    Seattle’s defense is a special case. This team has had enormous success with late round draft picks (by late I mean after round 3):
    -2010: Thurmond 4th, Chancellor 5th
    -2011: KJ Wright 4th, Sherman 5th, Maxwell 6th, M Smith 7th, Baldwin UFA,
    -2012: Kearse UFA
    I mean here are 8, 6 on defense, key contributors to this team, all taken after round 4, since 2010, so they make nothing. This allows you to go get Bennett, Avril and Clemons-who create the pass rush-in FA. It allows you to trade a 1, 3, and 7 rd picks for Percy Harvin, pay him $25.5mm guaranteed, and get away with getting nothing out of him all year, until the Super Bowl. It allows you to overcome F/A busts: Z Miller and S Rice (who have the biggest cap hits on this year’s roster). It allows you to miss on both your 2011 1st round picks Bruce Irvin and James Carpenter, and survive. On top of this, they find their starting QB, in round 3, 2yrs ago.

    You make this statement, above: “The blueprint isn’t about attaining all-pros at every position but that seems to be lost on some here. The style of play, the focus on making these pass-happy teams earn every yard while at the same time making them one-dimensional added to a balanced offensive attack to keep these teams off the field are the recipe for success.”

    In order to run your scheme, you need players who can run it. Kendrick Lewis, plays Safety for KC, and starts. He’s a solid player. He was drafted 3 spots after Kam Chancellor, in 2010. In 2011, NE took Ras-I Dowling 33rd overall. He was the new breed of big, fast CBs 6’1″/210/4.4. Richard Sherman was taken 121 picks later (fun tidbit: Jeremy Kerley was selected just before Sherman). Today, Dowling is on the NYJ, and Sherman is 1st team All-Pro. If you put Lewis and Dowling, in Seattle’s D, are we talking about their ‘blueprint’? I will give you that each team’s evaluation process is different, and even that Seattle had their own ideas on the type of players they wanted, to run their system (Heck, I’m sure Carroll’s intimate knowledge of Sherman, a player he recruited heavily and then competed against, was huge in his being drafted, by Seattle). You still can’t discount the fact that Seattle hit, and hit huge, on picks that normally don’t pan out as their have.

    I give all credit to Seattle’s front office and scouting for finding these players. I give all credit to Carroll and his staff for coaching them and utitlizing their skills to configure and execute his defensive philosophy. But, when I hear discussion of copying a ‘blueprint’, that entails looking into how something was constructed. With the access to information today combined with a salary cap league, where the QB position can take up a large portion of your resources, I think the probabilty of replicating this ‘blueprint’ isn’t a winning strategy, especially if your job is ‘on the clock’, like all GMs/HCs are.
    I can see trying to replicate a style of player you want to take, ala ‘big corners’ and ‘fast, hard hitting safeties’. However, as the draft process has proven, it’s simply not that easy to do.

  • David

    There is no “blueprint” as much as it is about “getting lucky.” I know people will laugh at that statement, but let’s be realistic, there is a reason in large part why someone in the NFL Draft falls to rounds 4-7.

  • Lidman

    David..I would say there is a certain amount of luck involved, yes. But, you have to certainly give credit to them for getting these guys.

    If you really look at the picks, you can see where PC, coming from USC, likely had influence, especially late,

    2010-tW Thurmond/Oregon (4), Anthony McCoy/USC (6) and Dexter Davis/ASU (7)
    2011-Sherman/Stanford (5), M Smith/USC (7) and Baldwin/Stanford (UFA)
    2013-J Kearse/Wash (UFA)

    It’s not a stretch to believe he had influence in drafting/signing these guys based on his own observations when he was coaching with, or against, these guys.

    I think what this shows is simply how important drafting well is. When you come away empty handed, like the NYJ did in ’09- (Sanchez/Greene/Slauson-noboby none of these guys player more than 4yrs) and ’10 (Wilson, Ducasse, McKnight and Conner)-not 1 starter, it makes it hard to compete. If there is any ‘blueprint’ I hope they create, or follow, it’s valuing their picks, and using them to get players they believe will make an impact on the roster. When you consistently ‘hit’ in the draft, if affords you roster flexibility to bring in short term pieces-mercenaries-to fit your scheme (see 1/2 the Seattle D-Line).

  • David

    Lidman, I do agree on your last statement about “Drafting well.” One thing the Jets need to get away from is “Rex getting a pick;” Or taking someone because he is a “Friend” of a player on the roster.

  • KAsh

    @JX

    1) The average age of the Jets at the beginning of this season was 25.6, which is the seventh youngest in the league, and six months older than the youngest team – the Rams. Seventh is three spots behind the Seahawks, but the young teams is not a good crowd to be in because most of the teams here are horrendously bad (in order: Rams, Browns, Bills, Seahawks, Jaguars, Packers, Jets).

    2) “The style of play, the focus on making these pass-happy teams earn every yard while at the same time making them one-dimensional added to a balanced offensive attack to keep these teams off the field are the recipe for success.”

    When you write crap like this, it only tells everyone that you know nothing about the subject you are talking about. You are speaking in cliches regurgitated from the thousands of fan articles (and the local beat articles) that use these terms without ever explaining them. At least most of them realize that a pass-happy offense is already one-dimensional, happily so. Not all teams pass the same way, there are different ways to be balanced, as there are different ways to disrupt the pass. Everything comes with costs.

    In short, study up.

  • Lidman

    Agreed on the latter part, though I believe it happens more than we know because 7th round picks are valued that much. Tommy Bohanon was the NYJ 7th rounder last year, out of Wake Forest. Guess who his best buddy on the team was: Brad Idzik, John’s son.

    When you hire a head coach, you should trust in his ability to see talent, as well as coach it. I think the ‘Collision Low Crossers’ release has brought the ‘Scotty McKnight pick’ back to the forefront. I think Rex has grown into this role and would be surprised if he made that same mistake again. I have no issue with the John Conner pick. By all measures his tape was good. He had a decent pre-season, but ultimately couldn’t take the next step. That’s not uncommon for a lot of 5th round picks, no matter who picks him.

  • John X

    Ksh,

    You have a head made of concrete – nothing gets through it. I’ll repeat my earlier post and ask you who is so young on this list that can’t be addressed:

    “Can’t get younger than David Harris, Calvin Pace, Dawan Landry, Antonio Cromartie (70 y.o. hip) and Ed Reed?
    Cheap knock-off? Wilkerson, Richardson, Harrison, Coples, Davis, Milliner, Allen…I promised I wouldn’t get into an exchange with you and I’ll try not to but such idiocy can’t be unchallenged. Maybe that’s not true – everyone can read your post.

    Are you listening to yourself? OMG!
    Very funny post.”