New York Jets Green/White Scrimmage Recap

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A few quick hits recapping the New York Jets Green/White Scrimmage after the jump. Also an exciting reminder Turn On The Jets shirts are back on the market thanks to your to demand! Get ‘em before they are gone. 

1. NEED THE QB STATS?!? - Geno was 9/16 for 77 yards. Sanchez was 6/10 for 93 yards with 1 INT and 1 TD (a 57 yarder to Stephen Hill to end the game).

2. Digging A Little Deeper - Sanchez was having a rough night due to the interception, tripping over his own feet and missing Clyde Gates for a would-be touchdown. However, he closed strong with the home run touchdown to Stephen Hill. Sanchez is still Sanchez. Maddeningly inconsistent.

Geno started the game with the 1s and drove right down the field for an apparent touchdown but a Bilal Powell 3 yard TD scamper was called back because of a penalty. On the whole, Smith was solid, not spectacular and did a good job protecting the football.

3. McElroy Insanity - Ryan Spadola (keep an eye on him for a roster spot) caught a 48 yard touchdown from McElroy and Vidal Hazleton caught a 70 yard touchdown from him. A tough night for the 3rd defense.

4. Backup Offensive Line Troubles - As we cautioned in our preview. It wasn’t pretty for the backup offensive lineman. Calvin Pace, Ricky Sapp, Nick Bellore and Dawan Landry all recorded sacks against them.

5. Injuries - Brian Winters suffered a minor ankle injury after beginning the game with the starters. Apparently, it isn’t serious and he should be back to practice during the week.

6. The Turnovers - Antonio Cromartie intercepted Mark Sanchez. Eric Crocker intercepted Matt Simms.

7. The Running Backs - A strong overall night for Bilal Powell, who broke off a 24 yard run and handled the bulk of the work with the starters. Chad Spann made an impression in his opportunities, as the clock continues to tick on Joe McKnight’s time on the roster (he sat out with an injury).

8. The Receivers - Stephen Hill and Clyde Gates continued their strong camp. Gates hauled in three passes and should have had a touchdown if Sanchez didn’t miss him. Hill had a couple of catches in traffic along with his long touchdown.

9. Rook - Dee Milliner played with the starters most of the night and outside of a 9 yard completion he gave up to Stephen Hill, was solid.

  • Harold

    This night was about Geno. He did what every rookie needs to do move the ball and protect the football. He did what we need him to do. Sanchez was Sanchez bad most of the night but one play where you say maybe? I learned my lesson that play is usually all you get and the poor play is the norm. Time to move on. Let Geno play. The kid is earning it the old fashioned way on the field.

    We have made excuses for Sanchez turnovers always blaming the players. But Geno with the same players is not making the same mistakes. Sometimes you have to look at the source. Sanchez is a great teammate, but a below average QB. Hopefully it is becoming clearer by the day.

  • Nikolas

    The coaches should focus on Geno. Enough with the competition. Geno needs the snaps.

  • Mike

    I agree 100% Nikolas…the Jets need to end this competition and just start working with Geno giving him 90% of reps with #1s.

  • KAsh

    “He did what we need him to do.”

    You mean other than score TDs. I missed the first series, so I do not know what happened there other than Powell seems to have had a 24 yd run. Geno played well, but it is what it is. His series produced a total of six points. He could not even score on the second string defense with the first string offense. Nevermind that I do not really know what “moving the ball well” means when the broadcast also repeatedly mentioned that he held onto the ball for “forever,” which resulted in numerous sacks, even with the first string offense. Before he gets handed the job, can someone try and prevent his first real game starting from turning into a snuff film? He is a good QB; I have no interest in seeing the future of my franchise decapitated on national television. Make sure he knows how to quckly jettison the ball before you send him on the field.

  • Harold

    Kash:

    I think you are failing to see the big picture. If you are a rookie in the NFL your #1 job is to not lose games for your team. Protect the football. Next you progress to moving the ball consistently Geno led two pretty good drives. Scored a TD on 1st drive but called back for illegal formation (This was actually against the first team defense). Lastly, as he goes along you hope he can be the reason you win games which is what the top tier QB’s do.

    So at this early stage moving the ball well means matriculating the ball down the field without turning the ball over. He did a good job. Not sure what the debate is about. All rookies hold the ball a long time. Luck and Wilson held the ball a long time last year. Rookies do that, if he takes a sack instead of a turnover that is okay as he learns. Hope this clears it up for you.

  • Josh

    Just want to say that while everyone wants to hate on Sanchez, every report I’ve seen out there says the 2nd unit O-line was the very definition of horrendous. He would’ve been destroyed in a game.

  • KAsh

    @Harold

    Explaining things to you always irritates me. That is why I stopped doing it. While I am very happy for you that you were able to use “matriculate” in a sentence (an SAT word!), I would prefer for some doubt to enter into your opinions.

    First, you are not talking about a rookie linebacker, whose mistakes can be covered up by veterans in the front seven, or a rookie wide receiver, who will not be targetted every possession and can be put onto and pulled off the field at a moment’s notice. This is your starting quarterback. Fans may have more patience with him, but you are not going to win a lot of games by punts and kicks. (As always, the fans don’t matter.) If Smith protects the football, but does not get touchdowns, his coach will be gone by the end of the year. And if Smith is performing badly, since he is the quarterback, he has no safety net. You are not going to send in Sanchez on third-and-long situations to cover for him.

    Next, let me point out an obvious fact that you overlooked: getting sacked is not the same thing as protecting the football! It would be fine if he threw the ball away. It would be fine if he fell on the ground or took a knee (although throwing the ball away is much better). But he gets sacked, which leads to lost yardage, potential injuries, not keeping your eyes downfield, not stepping into pressure, and fumbles. Everyone else includes interceptions in that list, but I did not because the correlation is high but not 100%.

    Third, if a quarterback does not throw touchdowns, no one else will do it for him. The only way to win without throwing touchdowns is to have a good, stable run game, which, this year, would put too much pressure on your injury-prone running backs. So, contrary to the fantasy you described, in which a rookie quaterback goes from protecting the ball without getting touchdowns to an elite touchdown machine with no in-between, a quarterback needs to throw some touchdowns to be even considered decent.

    Fourth, while Geno has played decently (unfortunately, neither QB has yet been good) everyone has commented on how long he holds the ball. I do not believe Luck holds onto the ball any longer than most pros. Wilson might hold it a split second longer than an experienced veteran. Sideline reporters, run-of-the-mill bloggers, radio announcers – you name it, it has reported how long Geno Smith holds the ball. He could not be sacked if he was not holding the ball; Geno might be on par with last year’s McElroy in this aspect.

    Finally, holding onto the ball is not the biggest problem. The problem is the reason why he is doing it. The two biggest reasons are: a) he is thinking too much after the snap, or b) he does not feel confident about throwing a ball into a tight window. The WCO should limit the former, so this may indicate that he is not buying into the offense. The latter would mean that he is afraid of actually throwing an interception. While both can be equally undesirable, I would hate for him to be the latter. Some throws are 80-20 in catch-to-interception chances, and completely 100% safe throws are a rarity in this league. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. You need to enter the tiger’s den to get the cubs. Geno’s ceiling will be much lower than his physical attributes would suggest if he cannot get over something like this.

  • Mark Phelan

    Did Geno ‘hold the ball too long’ as a college QB?

  • Harold

    Wilson held the ball the longest of any QB in the NFL last year by a wide margin and Luck was among the league leaders. This is why I stopped responding to your posts a couple months ago. I use facts and draw conclusions, you use opinions and try to fit facts.

    Lastly, Geno has consistently taken deep shots down the field in camp. So you point about taking chances is not shown in the results thus far.

    The rest of your statement makes almost no sense so I won’t try to decipher it. The only thing we have in common is our love for the Jets. Go JETS!!

  • Nikolas

    Geno must start because Mark is not in the teams’ future plans and the Jets have to find out what they have in Geno.
    Geno seems to have the tools (strong arm, mobility, accuracy, and intelligence), college experience, a great college record, tremendous work ethic and the will to be great. How well his talents will translate into the NFL game is yet to be seen and discovered. But there should be no doubt that he has the tools to be a good one.

  • KAsh

    @Mark – I would not say so. The offense he ran was focused on a fast-tempo, quickly moving the chains and getting to the new LoS. Based on my own observations, Geno was much less accurate when he had to wait for the play to develop because of coverage. He just seemed to have much more broken plays, missed/dropped passes, and the pass rush had more time to interfere when Geno took his time. But, in general, college Geno had a very rhythmic, flowing offense, without too many stops and starts.

    @Harold – I did not say Geno did not make passes downfield. Each QB seems to have focused on what he has struggled with the most this first week: Sanchez worked on screens and the short passing game (both perceived weaknesses) and Geno worked on long passes, which he was criticized for avoiding in college. What I said was that Geno avoids throws into tight windows even when he can make it, another of the criticisms he had in college. He rarely throws a pass to a receiver that is being covered man-to-man, unless he has already completely thrown off his coverage. Unfortunately, I have not seen any training camp footage, so I am going off written reports by others. Finally, neither Luck nor Wilson runs a WCO – Luck being a more traditional QB, while Wilson is a read-option QB – so they are not good comparisons for Geno. What WCO QB do you know that holds on to the ball? Isn’t the offense designed to counter that?

    On a more personal note, you have settled into two contradictory critiques of me: 1) I do not see the big picture, and 2) I pick facts to fit the big picture that I cannot see.

    Also, to help with your SATs (and because I turn off my empathy switch when I get two hours of sleep,) here is the definition of “matriculate” – http://m.dictionary.com/definition/matriculate/?linkId=ibc5yn

    If I fit facts (which I do not; I simply point them out in the hope that you will think) you fit meanings to try and match your inflated sense of self.

    “The wise man doubteth often, and changeth his mind; the fool is obstinate and doubteth not; he knoweth all things but his own ignorance.” -Akhenaten

    “Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please.” -Mark Twain

    @Nikolaus – I agree with you that Geno is the future of the franchise. But mammals as opposed to reptiles take their time to wean and raise their children because they have few of them and need to get it right. Geno had amazed me with how quickly he has acclimated, but we are going to get a repeat of shaky Sanchez (this time with injury issues) if we let him get sacked as much as he has been in camp. For now, you have Sanchez, who you can send out to hold the fort for however long this process takes, which should not be longer than by the bye week in the middle of the year (it could be sooner). This raises Sanchez’s trade value if he is even decent and allows Geno to avoid the roughest part of your schedule. Geno ultimately will be a more complete product once he starts. And the franchise will be on much better ground. If we send him out as he is now, we might be drafting a replacement QB four years down the road again.

  • matr dontelli iii

    geno has pretty much matched markie fumble for fumble over the last few years, albeit at a lower level of competition. he is pretty much universally criticized for holding the ball too long. the product of the two would likely be ugly. in other words geno needs to correct the holding the ball too long problem before being named the starter for his as well as the good of the team. jets fans have long been great at booing the starting qb and requesting the backup. they’ve been doing this almost as long as the jets have been not winning super bowls. i understand the great majority of jet fans have seen enough of sanchez, however to start geno before he’s ready is foolish and will simply perpetuate the boo the starter off the field issue that has damned this team for decades. if your purpose in going to games is to get drunk and boo the players you don’t like it’s really in everyone’s best interests if you find a more sensible sunday pastime.

  • keator

    Mark fell down just taking a drop back…. This guy

  • http://msn dwayne

    mark is the starter but he must know if he not playing the best game he can and will be replace by geno JETS JETS JETS LET GO

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  • Harold

    KAsh:

    I know very well what matriculate means. I was using it based on an old NFL films clip. But again it went way over your head (as do most of what I say to you). It is cool. People who think they are smart on the internet, usually are not. So keep up with the foolishness, I will continue to talk sports with the intelligent bloggers here. You respond to other posts not mine. Thanks

  • Eric Pec

    Geno is already better than mark and he is still learning the offense, an offense that mark is already accostomed to, which is just sad. That is just one of the reasons he should start the season at quarterback, and don’t forget what a terrible season mark had in his rookie year, 12 TDs and 20 Ints, and he didn’t get booed by fans. There is no way that Genos numbers wouldn’t be better than that even with this less talented team. He is rapidly improving, he outplayed mark in the scrimmage, and he is watching sanchez stumble to the ground, figuratively and literally

  • David

    @Eric Pec: Mark is learning a new offense, the same as Geno Smith. This will be Mark’s 3rd offensive coordinator in the 5 years he has been a member of the NY Jets.

    The biggest things with the QB, especially if Mark is named the starter, is that Rex Ryan has to get a pair of grapefruits and not be afraid to pull him if he is ineffective.

    Also with his performance, how is Greg McElroy not in the discussion for the QB job?

  • KAsh

    McElroy was playing the third string defense. It got less mention live on 98.7 FM than the punting competition. Simply put, very few players from the third string defense will actually make the 53-man roster. Maybe a cornerback or two (knowing Ryan’s preference for keeping a lot of them) and a standout player from the front seven.

    So McElroy scored two TDs against a bunch of people that will not play in the NFL this year. But his performance could save his third string job.