NFL Draft 2013 – Your New York Jets Boo Guide

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It is almost that time of the year New York Jets fans

Yes, that time. For the record, no matter how many times I watch this video, the “NOOOOO” at 39 seconds and the guy’s face at 1:29 get me every time. Roger Vick! Kyle Brady! Your New York Jets  are getting ready to draft again! Here at Turn On The Jets, we are happy to provide you with a guide on what to boo and not boo next week.


DON’T BOO - Barkevious Mingo with the 9th overall pick – I can read the comments and concerns but the tape doesn’t lie. Mingo is NOT Aaron Maybin. Mingo is not a one-dimensional speed rusher who had a poor season. Mingo showed the versatility and discipline needed to be a complete linebacker last year. Our draft writer Chris Gross said it best -

“Mingo was the straw that stirred the drink for the Tigers’ defensive front seven in 2012. Week to week his assignment changed as the LSU defensive staff utilized him to eliminate the opposing offense’s biggest threat. In most cases, that did not include making tackles in the backfield or sacking the quarterback. It was more about protecting the defense, while being the key figure in each week’s game plan.”

Mingo has the athleticism to be an elite edge rusher but also can eventually project to being a 3 down 3-4 outside linebacker for the Jets. The difference between him and Dion Jordan is not that much, making him strong value at number 9. Don’t boo now and you will thank me later.

DON’T BOO - Trade Downs - They aren’t as sexy as trade-ups but you know what trade-ups eventually get you? They get you a year like 2010 when you have four overall draft picks and end up with Finger Wag, King Ugly, McDonald’s McKnight and Concrete (Hands) Conner. The Jets have no shortage of needs and John Idzik is apparently a big proponent of building through the Draft. He is going to want more picks. A trade down is coming at some point, the only question is if it ends up being in the first round or later.

BOO – Geno Smith in the first roundSmith is not good value in the first round, particularly with the 9th overall pick and the potential 13th overall pick the Jets could end up with. You don’t spend a pick that high on a player who quarterbacks 5 game losing streaks and played poorly in their team’s biggest games the previous year. Smith will be overdrafted by somebody but it doesn’t have to be the Jets who could spend a 2nd round pick on EJ Manuel or a 3rd round pick on Zac Dysert. Manuel at 39 or Dysert at 72 is a smarter risk than Smith at 9 or 13 (if the Jets acquire it).

DON’T BOO - A Guard in the first round - This wouldn’t be a “sexy” or popular pick but the Jets could do much worse than finding an immediate starter in the first round like Chance Warmack or Jonathan Cooper. Do you really want Vlad Ducasse starting next season? It is fair to qualify that taking a Guard is much easier to stomach if the Jets trade down a few spots or have two first round picks, or both Dion Jordan and Mingo are off the board at 9. A Guard isn’t flashy but Warmack or Cooper would pay immediate, tangible dividends.

BOO - The third round ending without the Jets finding a tight end - As of now the Jets have 3 picks in the first 3 rounds, there is a good chance that number could increase. Regardless, this team needs a starter at tight end and to take care of it before Saturday comes around. Zach Ertz and Travis Kelce are both the type of players who would be immediate impact players and it’d be frustrating to see them both passed over with 2nd and 3rd round selections.

DON’T BOO - Tavon Austin…anywhere - Forget the concerns about Austin’s size. He is a devastatingly quick playmaker who can be moved all over a team’s offense, contributing as both a receiver and runner, while also being an elite returner. The Jets desperately need players like this on offense. Don’t kid yourself about their wide receiver depth. Both Santonio Holmes and Stephen Hill are coming off major surgery. Outside of Jeremy Kerley, who is guaranteed to produce next season?

BOO - Not trading a fourth round pick for Chris Ivory - You shouldn’t hesitate to give up a 4th round pick for a player with this much talent. A second or third? I can understand the hesitation. A fourth rounder or later. Pull the trigger.

18 thoughts on “NFL Draft 2013 – Your New York Jets Boo Guide

  1. Ducausse is a pretty good guard, and I don’t see why you should be upset if he’s starting. Go watch film of him playing guard last year. only a few mistakes the whole year, and the team played better when he was in than they did when Slauson was in. A guard, who was drafted as a project, didn’t play that well at RT (a different position) without warning (he only went in because of injuries, and there is also a language barrier). The only argument against him is that he wasn’t good at a different position, which should be irrelevant. That like someone saying Cromartie should be benched because he didn’t catch anything at WR last year.

    Also, you should definitely boo any guard in the top ten. The position simply doesn’t effect the game as much as OLB, NT, DE, WR, or QB. The best guard of all time won’t help you win as much as a great-but-not-too-great OLB.

    Then you have to factor in who the draftee is replacing. Assuming Warmack is the greatest guard ever (which is quite a stretch), replacing Vlad brings an unimportant position from good to fantastic. Getting a great OLB to replace Pace (or a retread type guy that we’d have to get after the draft because we didn’t get a pass rusher again)brings an important position from terrible to great. Even if the talent is better at guard, the difference between the draftee’s talent and the veteran he’s replacing’s talent is larger at other positions, and that the other positions have more of an effect on the game.

    Keep in mind we have one of the best centers and one of the best tackle tandems in the league, if not the best on both accounts. Our offensive line isn’t hurting.

  2. Someone said this the other day and I wasn’t sure whether I would react with sheer horror or giddy optimism. This is after we have traded down the 9th to SF for two more picks and assuming the Revis trade to the Bucs.

    “And with the thirteenth pick the New York Jets pick EJ Emmanuel…quarterback from Florida State.” Is this a Boo???? Or what does Idzik know that we don’t?

  3. joe, i’ve been reading this site for about 4 months or so now and have yet to disagree with a word you’ve written. i’ve also been following very closely every move john idzik has made over the same time period and have yet to disagree with anything he has said or done. since i’ve never seen you and idzik in the same place at the same time and after following the mainstream media the balance of my life i’ve come to the logical conclusion that you are john idzik. keep up the good work.

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  5. Ducasse is a good guard? What games have you been watching? King Ugly is a Tannenbaum infatuation! :|

  6. Joe and Hans: You guys really need to listen to _fense he speaking the truth. I have been asking for all the terrible plays Vlad made that Slauson would have done better. I have yet to hear anyone show me the proof. Vlad played 30% of the snaps last year did anyone cringe when he came into the game?

    Of course not… the bigger question is did you even notice? And not in bad way… but in a way where you said what happened.. .why is he in the game. You didn’t because he played well. Please let’s stop with the ridiculous statement that it would be worthwile to take a Guard in the 1st round. Us taking a guard @ #9 when we already have good line is only a step below taking Nugent in the 2nd round. Foolishness!!

  7. Ducasse’s own o-line coach publicly said in November of last year that it was not up to him to play Ducasse and that he should only be on the field in certain rare situations. I have a nagging suspicion that they might let Ducasse start, but I sure as hell hope not.

    No one player will take a unit from terrible to great. No matter how good an OLB you get, he can only make a bad unit decent, a decent unit good, or a good unit great.The Jets are less likely to win by fielding a team average at everything than by fielding a team that has a great pass rush or a great secondary or a great receiver corps. We won in ’09 & ’10 with a great o-line. The crosstown team has two Super Bowls with a great front four that made up for deficiencies everywhere else on the defensive side of the ball. This is what establishing an identity is about.

    Going in to 2013, our one strength on offense is the line, so make it dominant. If Warmack – who is better than Slauson and Ducasse – can get our RBs just one extra yard, we would have a dangerous run game once again, which would free up our QB and receivers, who would also have more time to get open because of Warmack. So he is a great pick. At #9.

  8. Ducasse was fine at guard. He was a much better run blocker, and a slightly less good pass blocker than Slauson. Just because an oline coach doesn’t appreciate being told who to play doesn’t mean a thing. That said there is no way you can know Warmack will be good. 7 of the top 10 guards were drafted 3rd round or lower. Most of them being converted from Tackle. Stupid move to take the next “can’t miss” guard in the first round. Pass rushers, are impact players, and guards are, well not. Our pass protection problems came from TEs, and RBs that could not pick up a blitz, and a QB that could not make adjustments, and held the ball too long. MM will not allow these coverage sacks.

  9. I do appreciate that you’re one of the only people that seem to realize that Mingo was not being lazy, or bottled up by double teams. He was not allowed to penetrate most of the time this year, and actually showed a lot of discipline at the expense of his reputation, and stats. I think he was misused, but he did do a good job for someone his size, at setting the edge. Jones on the other hand was funneled toward the QB, with the rest of the front 7 working to ensure he remained unmolested.

  10. Slauson was not exactly the creme of the crop at guard, so excuse me for not doing backflips that Ducasse is only slighlty worse than him. I really do not understand the guys who shy from a dominant guard. At what point does the best, most NFL-ready, closest player to a sure thing this draft, elite guard become better than a great OLB with a few red flags and questions about his ability at the next level? What is the formula that those who speak about impact use?

    Take Revis. I would not pay him $15 million a year, but he is a great player. Why? Because he makes receivers disappear. He nullifies players that get paid close to $750,000/game. That is worth serious money. That is Warmack’s duty. He takes the DTs and DEs and the LBs assigned to him out of the game. What value do you put on preventing the collapse of the pocket? On opening up large running lanes? What value do you put on relieving pressure on Ferguson and Howard, who no longer have to worry about or help out the inside? Yes, the line is the unit on the field that requires the most coordination, but this does not mean that individual talent there is not important or that one bad lineman will not negatively affect the whole bunch.

  11. To Joe,

    Lately, I noticed a theme. You tend to trumpet athletic, but undersized players like Mingo and Austin. I am not saying that Mingo is not a great player. I agree with your analysis that his production tailed off because of a scheme reassignment. But what makes you think that he will/can produce at the next level?

    I am generally not interested in basketball. I watch NBA games with passing interest. The great exception was watching Kemba Walker. He was electrifying. I saw his every game, and I am not even from U. Conn. But scouts questioned how he would produce at the next level, and so far they have been right. College and the pros are two different leagues. Mingo is wiry and lanky. He weighs 241 lbs. at six feet four, while Jordan is two inches taller but weighs only seven more pounds. Jordan is still undersized, but it is obvious who will have an easier time gaining weight. Irvin, who is often compared to Mingo, played in only 42 percent of all downs last season. There are legitimate durability concerns with Mingo.

    Same with Austin. No one questions his explosiveness. But the law of probability says that he will eventually get hit. What happens then? Most safeties and corners have 20-40 pounds on him. That is an eighth to almost a fourth of Austin’s body weight. That is like a sedan colliding with a SUV. The sedans generally do not fare well.

    Finally, I cannot get excited about Mingo at nine. Could you please do an article that compares him to the other picks available around there? Maybe do another big board?

  12. Hey Kash,

    I’m not sure if I’d put that as a theme but in this particular class, I think Mingo can put on a little bulk and pick up the entire defense better than a situational player long term. In his rookie year? Mingo might only play 42% of the snaps but still have the pass rushing impact Irvin did, but by year 2 and year 3, I think he could be a full time starter and productive. There is nothing wrong with him spending a year rotating with and learning from veterans like Pace and Barnes.

    Austin can be used how the Packers started to use Randall Cobb last year, meaning you get him in the slot, you line him up in the backfield, you play him at split end, you move him around and use in a variety of ways. The level of short area quickness and burst he has is special. Could he get hurt? Sure. But look at Stephen Hill. HUGE guy…and he broke down over the course of the year. Holmes? Average size guy and he still broke down. It could happen to anybody. Austin makes people miss and avoids huge hits because of that ability.

  13. Joe,

    But are you not at all concerned that Mingo refused to lift at the combine AND at his pro Day? What is he is strong enough to do, say, 3 reps?

  14. I dont know why u guys insist in this guy Mingo. He’s not a good player and he ain’t be.. He will be such a bust! Please for god sake Idzik don’t pick him

  15. Are you kidding me? Don’t BOOO Mingo?! We have every right to Boo Mingo. What a risky boom/bus t pick for this regime to spend it’s first selection on. Guy who won’t even do a benchpress drill and disappears the second someone puts a hand on him… AWFUL pick.

  16. Austin is not randall cobb. randall cobb is larger than austin. everytime people talk about austin i ask them to name one player sutins size that was successful enough in the nfl to warrant a first round pick. i never get an answer. because there are none. sinorice moss 2.0

  17. Randall Cobb wasn’t a 1st round pick. These hyper athletic, move them all over the field types, are not worth staking a 1st round pick on. Dudes like Dexter McCluster, and Darren Sproles, they can be found. You are essentially using a franchise caliber pick on a hopeful swiss army knife in a league where you can get them for free.

    I seriously doubt the Jets would make this pick, based on the goodson signing, and having invested so heavily in WR over the past 4 years; but to address your point, it seems silly to think that he could go in the first.

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