Jets Friday Afternoon Recap & The High Comedy Of Jealous Giants Fans

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A few highlights from this afternoon’s practice:

  • Sounds like Mark Brunell had a quality day at the office and could be well on his way to burying Kellen Clemens on the depth chart or knocking him off the roster. I have been anti-Brunell as the #2 all off-season but maybe the old veteran will prove me wrong. I am interested to see how he plays in extended action during the pre-season. He hit Santonio Holmes on a couple of long completions today and also had a nice connection with Dustin Keller.
  • Joe McKnight and Aundrae Allison were working alongside Kyle Wilson on returning punts. The Jets haven’t had an explosive punt returner in a long time, which makes the addition of Wilson a little extra exciting. It is always risky to have a rookie back there, though.
  • Throughout camp Mark Sanchez and Dustin Keller have been on the same page and have connected for a high amount of completions. Keller was a slight disappointment during the regular season in 2009 but much of that had to do with Sanchez’s struggles. We saw what this combination could do in the playoffs last year.
  • Marty Schottenheimer was in attendance today.
  • More Matt Slauson with the starters at LG.

A reminder the Jets will have their annual Green and White scrimmage tomorrow night at 6 PM. I will have a preview of the scrimmage either tomorrow morning or afternoon, followed by a recap on Sunday.

The High Comedy Of Jealous Giants Fans

I don’t know if fellow Jets fans have experienced the same increased bitterness towards their team from Giants fans this off-season as I have, but personally it has been overwhelming. Look at this recent post I had left on my Facebook wall:

I’m writing this to you as a wake up call to not only you but to all JETS fans that are acting like they already won the Superbowl when they haven’t won jack in our lifetimes. (You know the game that makes you the best team in the NFL for a single season like the NY Giants when they defeated the Patriots) I thought you should watch this video as a reminder that even after all the big name signings and TV contracts I want you to remember at the end of the day its the JETS and they’ll find a way to f— it up. (Note the video was the infamous ‘Jets Draft Blunders’)

I have seen plenty of this, along with hearing Giants players like Brandon “tip-toe” Jacobs and Justin Tuck take shots at the Jets this off-season. I have to say I find it very entertaining, not quite as entertaining as a Rex Ryan press conference, but close enough. We get it Giants fans, the Jets haven’t won a Super Bowl since 1969 and you guys won just two years ago. So, why do you care so much about the Jets dominating the headlines and receiving more national coverage than the Giants? Just worry about your team, their subpar defense, declining offensive line, and laundry list of injuries. There is no reason to be angry that Giants Stadium is now a pile of dust and the Jets are primed to make the New Meadowlands their own because they built a team on running the football and defense, the same things that won the G-Men three Super Bowls, and the same things they can no longer do.

By the way, the Giants also showed a ton of heart last season in those final two games.

Jets Friday Morning Recap & What About The Gholston Hype?

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Friday Morning Recap:

Rex Ryan’s press conference was particularly interesting this morning –

  • He backed up his bravado of signing the ESPN Training Bus “Soon To Be Champs” on the Jets logo. Ryan claimed when he looks in the crystal ball for 2010 he sees the Jets winning the Super Bowl and doesn’t believe there is any reason to hide it.
  • Rookie UDFA tight end Jeff Cumberland has a head injury and could miss the green and white scrimmage tomorrow. Linebacker Brashton Satele and guard Marion Davis are also banged up and could miss tomorrow.
  • He discussed Joe McKnight’s role on the team and commented how he must find a spot on special teams, particularly in covering kicks. The Jets had Mike Westhoff call him before they drafted him and make sure he would willing to embrace that role. When discussing him at running back, he said there is no way he is beating out Shonn Greene or LaDainian Tomlinson on the depth chart but he could still have a large role on the offense. Sticking to the running backs, he continued to lavish praise on Tomlinson and rookie fullback John Conner.
  • Mike DeVito will be the starting defensive end opposite Shaun Ellis. Those two along with Kris Jenkins and Sione Pouha will get the bulk of the defensive line rotation reps, although he is expecting Vernon Gholston and Ropati Pitoitua to contribute on a weekly basis also. When pressed about Gholston deserving a roster spot, Ryan got defensive saying he was earning it with a great opening week of camp and his various roles on special teams. One of the reporters questioned whether newcomer Rodrique Wright should get a spot over him but Ryan claimed they play different positions and that Gholston is currently the best option to back up Shaun Ellis at defensive end.
  • Currently, Kenwin Cummings is the team’s number three inside linebacker behind Bart Scott and David Harris.
  • Ryan said  Nick Folk reminded him of Matt Stover, who struggled at times early in his career but eventually settled down.
  • He was frustrated with the defense allowing a 50 yard touchdown reception by Brad Smith because he saw it as a continuation of their late game struggles in 2009.
  • Matt Slauson is leading in the battle for LG right now because he is being more physical and not as hesitant. The coaches have got on Vladimir Ducasse about worrying less on making mistakes and concentrating on finishing his blocks each play.

Practice Highlights

  • Mark Sanchez – 5/11, TD, INT (Calvin Pace on a batted ball)
  • Nick Folk – 6/6, including a 51 yarder.
  • Smith with the previously mentioned 50 yard touchdown.
  • Another sack for Vernon Gholston.
  • Fight between Jamaal Westerman and Robert Turner.
  • Laveranues Coles banged up his leg but returned later in practice.
  • David Clowney is excused from practice today for personal reasons.

What About The Gholston Hype?

PhotobucketWe hear it every single year. Vernon Gholston is finally getting it. He looks great out there. The game is slowing down for him and on and on. This training camp has been no different. Every single day we are hearing about Gholston recording another sack or flushing the quarterback out of the pocket. Rex Ryan defended his roster spot today by saying he deserves a key spot in the defensive line rotation and that he looks substantially better with his hand in the dirt instead of playing outside linebacker. Honestly, I will believe it when I see it in a game. Yes, there is a chance Gholston will be much better off at defensive end. He certainly has the physical tools to play the position and the Jets aren’t exactly asking a ton out of him in 2010. Could be develop into a quality role player? What do you think, are you falling for the hype again?

The AFC East Is Going To Be One Hell Of A Race

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I don’t have a problem saying the Jets are the favorite to win the AFC East. The Jets finished the season much stronger than the Patriots and Dolphins, along with having a better overall off-season than both teams. When you look at the roster of all three teams, the Jets have the most overall talent. Yet, that is obviously no reason to write off the defending AFC East Champs, New England, along with their Hall of Fame coach and quarterback or a talented, improved Miami team. The AFC East should be a three team horse race that isn’t sorted out until December, sorry Buffalo.

Let’s look at the arguments of the three contenders for a division title in 2010, along with what could hold them back.

New York Jets – The argument for the Jets starts with their defense. They have the best one in the division and the best one in the NFL. Whenever you play defense the way this team does, you are going to be competitive week in and week out. Last year’s defensive depth chart has been supplemented by Antonio Cromartie, Kyle Wilson, Jason Taylor, Brodney Pool, and a healthy Kris Jenkins, which is a scary thought for opposing offenses. On their offense, Mark Sanchez made strides in last year’s playoffs and should carry that over into his second year. He will have better chemistry with Braylon Edwards after having a whole off-season to work with him and he was given another major weapon with the addition of Santonio Holmes. Regardless of how much they contribute running the football, LaDainian Tomlinson and Joe McKnight will provide good pass catching options out of the backfield to help Sanchez.

The questions about the Jets start with the two second year players they will be relying on to carry their offense, Mark Sanchez and Shonn Greene. Sanchez needs to make the previously mentioned strides so he isn’t throwing 20 interceptions to 12 touchdowns. Greene still has to prove he can be a lead back for an entire season. The Jets may miss Thomas Jones in a big way, especially if LaDainian Tomlinson is as washed up as he looked in 2009. They will need a young player to step in for the departed Alan Faneca at left guard and it remains to be seen if/when Darrelle Revis will join the team.

Miami Dolphins – The Dolphins are built in a similar mold to the Jets. They want to run the football and play an aggressive, physical defense. Their defense was inconsistent and struggled heavily against the pass in 2009 but they are banking on their young secondary improving and new additions to their front seven to lead to improvements. Karlos Dansby will boost the linebacker core. They expect Cameron Wake and rookie Koa Misi to lead their pass rush. First round pick Jared Odrick should be a quality addition to their defensive line rotation. On offense, Miami finally added a number one receiver by trading for Brandon Marshall, who is one of the most explosive players in the NFL. Chad Henne has the arm strength to push the ball down the field, which should create more running space for Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams,

PhotobucketThe Dolphins young corners still have to prove they can slow down opposing passing offenses, especially when they are facing players like Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Braylon Edwards, Jerricho Cotchery, and Santonio Holmes. They have already loss Phillip Merling for the season, which hurt their defensive line depth and they are going to miss Joey Porter and Jason Taylor to an extent. On offense, Ronnie Brown is never healthy and they don’t have a number two receiver to put opposite Marshall. Despite the world being ready to send him to Canton, Henne still has to prove he can lead a team to the playoffs and throw more touchdowns than interceptions in a season.

New England Patriots – Brady and Belichick, which means the Patriots always have a shot. Randy Moss and Wes Welker (who it appears will miraculously be ready for the start of the season) aren’t half bad either. The Patriots passing game will be able to put points on the board consistently and Belichick will get the most out of what they have on defense. New England’s defense still has quality talent at all three levels with Vince Wilfork, Jerod Mayo, and Brandon Merriweather.

The Patriots lack of a running game could hold them back in 2010. Simply put, they don’t have a number one back. They will also be relying on a bunch of young players in their passing game outside of Moss and Welker, like Brandon Tate, Aaron Hernandez, Taylor Price, and Julian Edeleman. Their secondary has question marks and will also be relying on a collection of young, unproven players. Overall, their defense isn’t an elite unit anymore. The Patriots are coming off an absolute woodshed beating from the Ravens in their building to end the 2009 season, it will be interesting to see how they bounce back from that.

AFC East Battle

Jets Thursday Training Camp Round-Up

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Some assorted thoughts on Jets training camp as we head towards the weekend –

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The Jets early practice was cut short by rain this morning and they only had a special teams session in the afternoon. Hence, the normal avalanche of information about specific plays in practice wasn’t released today, however here is a run down of the biggest headlines:

  • Joe Namath graced the organization with his presence today and was quick to pronounce his belief the Jets were poised to win the Super Bowl. For some reason this was reported as a major story. I am not sure it is so shocking that a Jets legend who is involved in working with the organization is going to say he is confident the Jets will be really good in 2010. It is about as surprising as Rex Ryan saying he thinks the Jets will have the best defense in the NFL, which he says about 11 times a day.
  • Kris Jenkins had a scare today when he took a shot to his leg and admitted he had a similar feeling to when he tore his ligaments last year. However, everything held together and he said surviving that shot has boosted his confidence about the strength of his leg heading into this season. I would still expect Jenkins to have very limited reps in the pre-season. It will also be interesting to see the amount of playing time Jenkins gets in the beginning of the regular season as the Jets attempt to keep him fresh for the stretch run. Sione Pouha is a more than capable back-up, who can provide a high amount of quality reps off the bench.
  • Linebacker Brashton Satele’s injury isn’t that serious and he should be back at practice within in the next few days.
  • Steve Weatherford was rested for this afternoon’s special teams practice. Apparently punter TJ Conley has improved substantially from last season but it sounds like Weatherford still has a very strong hold on the job.
  • Mike Westhoff announced today that Kyle Wilson will be the Jets primary punt returner and Brad Smith will be the primary kick returner heading into the pre-season. I would still expect to see some Jim Leonhard on punt return for certain situations, along with Antonio Cromartie getting a few reps occasionally at both punt returner and kick returner. Aundrae Allison or Joe McKnight should also get some reps in the pre-season to be given a chance to make an impression.
  • Rex Ryan signed the Jets logo on Adam Schefter’s ESPN training camp tour bus “Soon To Be Champs.”…you have to love the big guy.

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  • From listening to every single interview on WFAN and ESPN Radio today at Jets camp (I was stuck working construction)…it sounds like there has been no tangible progress on the Revis deal and we should all be settling in for a long wait. In the meantime, Revis has been pairing up with old his buddy Chad Ochocino Johnson to work on the OCNN Network. All of his teammates said all the right things about supporting his decision and believing the team could be fine without him, while he sorts out his contract situation. Overall, I would say Rex Ryan has absolutely made his imprint across this roster. The confidence across the board from all the players is extremely encouraging.
  • It continues to sound like Matt Slauson has a very good shot of beating out rookie Vladimir Ducasse for the starting left guard position.

The Jets have a practice at 8:20 and 4:20 tomorrow and then have their annual Green and White scrimmage on Saturday at 6 PM.

A Few Shovel Fulls of TOJ TV

Jets Practice #5 Quick Recap & A Pat On The Back For Nick Mangold and David Harris

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Quick highlights of what is being reported from the Jets afternoon practice –

  • It sounded like a much better session for Mark Sanchez who hit a handful of check downs to LaDainian Tomlinson and Shonn Greene, hit Santonio Holmes for a touchdown and had another long connection with Jerricho Cotchery.
  • Linebacker Brashton Satele left the field with a leg injury.
  • Vernon Gholston? Another sack…when did this guy turn into Mr. Augusut?
  • Yesterday’s story of the day, Jeff Cumberland, dropped two passes today.
  • Santonio Holmes came back with a bang, making a diving touchdown reception from Mark Sanchez and then catching a wide open touchdown a few players later from Kellen Clemens.
  • Drew Coleman had his third interception over the past two days.
  • Jason Taylor recorded a sack today.
  • Nick Folk has been booming kickoffs.

The Jets organization better reward Nick Mangold and David Harris for being such good soldiers with their contact situations. They are in the final years of their contracts, have easily outperformed their current deals but still have showed up to camp. Look at these quotes:

“I’m a football player,” Mangold said.  “Camp is what you do.  You know it’s just one of those things.  I decided after thinking about every option to be here and put my best foot forward and try to have a good time up here in beautiful Cortland.”

“I’m being patient and just getting ready for football,” Harris said of his contract situation. “My agent will take care of everything else. I love to play football and I love to be around my teammates. I’ll be at camp on time.”

Are you kidding me in this day and age of players holding out when they have three years left on a deal they originally held out twenty days for? Can you ask for anything more out of the best center in the NFL or one of the best inside linebackers in the NFL?

When the contract situation with Darrelle Revis is resolved, the Jets better remember to write a fat check to #74 and #52, two members of the core four who handled their contract situation the right way.

Jets Practice #4 Recap & Thoughts On Offensive Depth Chart

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Practice #4 Recap

The Good – LaDainian Tomlinson beating David Harris on a slant route and taking it all the way to the end-zone. Mark Sanchez drawing Kris Jenkins off-sides. Joe McKnight holding his own against Bart Scott in pass protection drills. John Conner getting another big hit in, this time on Calvin Pace. Braylon Edwards beating Dwight Lowery for a 20 yard touchdown in 7 on 7 drills. Sanchez squeezing one down the seam to Jerricho Cotchery for a touchdown. Kyle Wilson getting his first interception of camp, when he picked off a Mark Brunell pass headed towards David Clowney. Aundrae Allison catching a long touchdown from Kevin O’Connell. Antonio Cromartie pulling in two more interceptions from Sanchez.

The Bad – Dwight Lowery getting beat for a touchdown, where is our Island? Joe McKnight had yet another drop today. Mark Sanchez was picked off  twice by Antonio Cromartie in 11 on 11s. Kellen Clemens was picked off by Drew Coleman. Mark Brunell was picked off by Kyle Wilson. Sanchez botched a pitch to LaDainian Tomlinson. Nick Folk missing a 35 yard and 40 yard field goal.

Play of the Day – Braylon Edwards out jumped Antonio Cromartie for a one-handed reception that set up the game winning field goal in the two minute drill.

PhotobucketPlayer Who Helped Himself – John Conner is catching everybody’s attention at least once every practice. He might end up with a bigger role on the offense than Joe McKnight and his pan hands.  Antonio Cromartie has interceptions two consecutive days and from all accounts has put together a very good few days to start camp.

Player Who Hurt Himself – Mark Sanchez hasn’t gotten off to the best start this summer. His completion numbers have been a little disappointing and he has thrown a few interceptions over the past couple of practices.

Sanchez Stats – 8/17, 2 INTs in 11 on 11s (both INTs by Cromartie)…thanks to Manish Mehta for the numbers.

Folk Stats – 6/8 (1 miss from 35 yards and 1 miss from 40 yards)

Roster Moves – Kris Jenkins was taken off the Active/PUP list and was back to practice. Don’t expect to see Erik Ainge anytime soon, since it was reported that he has been checked into a drug treatment/rehab facility. Ainge was suspended four games in 2008 for substance abuse. Kellen Clemens is back to practicing 100 percent. Santonio Holmes has to pass his conditioning test this morning and then is expected on the field this afternoon.

Injury – Shaun Ellis sat out of practice today because the coaches advised him to take a day off.

Depth Chart – John Conner saw some reps with the first team offense at fullback. Matt Slauson was back to working as the starting left guard. Ropati Pitoitua and Vernon Gholston both received first team reps at defensive end, as did Jason Taylor.

Rex Ryan Press Conference Highlights –

  • Called today the “Cromartie and Braylon Edwards” show.
  • Santonio Holmes will have to pass his conditioning test after his suspension and will be a full go in this afternoon’s practice.
  • Praised punter Steve Weatherford’s work this off-season, including his holding.
  • Said he hasn’t noticed the Hard Knocks cameras in meetings and that they have been discreet.
  • He praised Antonio Cromartie’s desire to learn how to do things “the Jets way.”
  • Jim Leonhard is the top “hands” option as a punt returner, meaning if there is any poor weather conditions he would be placed back there. However, he said the coaching staff wants Kyle Wilson to win the full time job.

Revis Update – In an interview yesterday, Peter King of SI said he believed Revis had more leverage than the Jets and that a deal wouldn’t be finalized until around Labor Day.

Thoughts On Offensive Depth Chart

It sounds like Matt Slauson has a much better chance at winning the starting left guard job  than most people (including myself) originally gave him. He has been rotating every practice with Vladimir Ducasse and got the nod in the Jets first practice. Rich Cimini of ESPN New York gave him a slight edge when asked about the battle. If Slauson does happen to win the job, it will be interesting to see if the Jets spend the season grooming Ducasse to replace Damien Woody at right tackle in 2011. Ducasse could also be given a role in some of the Jets short yardage packages, similar to Robert Turner and Wayne Hunter.

Photobucket Tomlinson is off to a strong start in camp and has been receiving a good amount of reps with the first team offense. I still don’t buy him competing with Shonn Greene for the starting job but he will get plenty of work in the pre-season to show the Jets he still has the necessary burst. Tomlinson is probably looking at 9-13 touches a game until Joe McKnight gets his act together and can become a bigger part of the offense. Also in the backfield, it sounds like John Conner is having one of the most impressive overall camps so far. He may actually carve out a little role for himself in the offense this year in certain situations or if he keeps playing so well, is it possible the Jets could release Tony Richardson at some point this summer? Going back to McKnight, if he keeps struggling it only increases the chances of Danny Woodhead sticking on the roster.

Santonio Holmes returns to the practice field this afternoon. I am anxious to hear about where Brian Schottenheimer is lining him up and if the Jets are trotting out any four and five receiver sets. There hasn’t been much talk about the Jets using their “Tiger” formation yet, however they could just be waiting until the more basic offensive installation is done.

Jets are back on the practice field at 4:20.

Response To Rant Of Angry Giants Fan – Shonn Greene and Ron Dayne Comparison Makes No Sense

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Here is my response to Dan Donohue’s assertion that Shonn Greene could be the second coming of Ron Dayne, which was posted here:

http://turnonthejets.com/2010/08/03/rant-of-an-angry-giants-fan-1-why-shonn-greene-is-the-second-coming-of-ron-dayne/

Response To Rant Of Angry Giants Fan – Shonn Greene and Ron Dayne Comparison Makes No Sense

I honestly don’t even want to humor this argument because it is a way to deflect the reality that Shonn Greene is about to rush for more yards than Brandon Jacobs in 2010, by a decent margin. However, that is a different article for a different day (and in reality an article I wrote already, right here http://turnonthejets.com/2010/07/13/10-new-york-football-predictions/ . Let’s go through Dan’s argument for the hell of it:

First off, I would say Shonn Greene’s running style reminds me much more of Eddie George than Ron Dayne. Yes, George did eventually wear down but not until after he ran for 10,441 yards and 78 touchdowns. George weighed 235 pounds and Greene weighs 230 pounds, not the rotund 255 pounds Dayne weighed back in the day, with his Doritos guy and all. I am aware George is 4 inches taller than Greene but their upright form is where I see the similarity.

Moving back to Dayne, in his rookie year he averaged 3.4 yards per carry, which isn’t in the same stratosphere as Greene during his rookie season when he averaged 5.0 yards per carry. Dayne’s 3.4 yards per carry is much more comparable to the 3.7 yards per carry Brandon Jacobs averaged last season, perhaps it would be more suitable to compare the two of them.

Generally, I hear what Dan is saying about Thomas Jones softening the defense for Shonn Greene. It is true that Greene still has to prove he can be a full time starting back. However, in the few games Greene was given “lead back” carries, he showed he was up to the task. As a matter of fact, here are his stats when he had 13 or more carries:

  • Vs. Cincinnati – 13 carries, 62 yards, 4.8 YPC
  • At Indianapolis – 16 carries, 95 yards, 5.9 YPC
  • At Oakland – 19 carries, 144 yards, 7.6 YPC
  • At Cincinnati – 21 carries, 135 yards, 6.4 YPC
  • At San Diego – 23 carries, 128 yards, 5.6 YPC

I don’t know, even though I agree to an extent about Thomas Jones softening up the defense, I am also kind of anxious to see what Greene can do with that amount of carries on a regular basis. Greene left the AFC Championship Game because he couldn’t breath from taking a rib shot, when he tried to come back in the coaching staff held him for Thomas Jones, who wasn’t half bad himself last year.

PhotobucketPeter King has said he thinks Greene is a 1400 yard back. I have said I think he will finish in the 1200-1300 yard range, I think most fans or people covering the team think he will be a 1100-1300 yard guy. Ideally, he will be filling the Thomas Jones role from last year with LaDainian Tomlinson and Joe McKnight combining to fill the Leon Washington role from the first 6 games before he got hurt. Tomlinson and especially McKnight won’t get enough carries to come anywhere near 1,000 yards in my mind. You assertion that Tomlinson will run for more yards than Greene on less carries is about as crazy as saying you expect Jake Delhomme to throw more touchdowns than Peyton Manning.

I didn’t spend much time talking about Ron Dayne because well he is…Ron Dayne. Yet, I would prepare for to see the Jets top notch offensive line and ground and pound approach lead Greene to a superior season than any running back on the pass happy, questionable offensive line Giants.

Go Shonn Go…To The Most Random Song For A Football Highlight Video

Rant Of An Angry Giants Fan #1 – Why Shonn Greene Is The Second Coming Of Ron Dayne

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Welcome to the first part of our new series “Rant Of An Angry Giants Fan.” This off-season we have all noticed how surprisingly bitter and jealous Giants fans and players have been of all the attention the Jets have been receiving. Poor Justin Tuck can’t go three days without making some kind of comment taking a slight at the Jets. Anyway, enter Dan Donohue a good friend of TOJ, who likes nothing more than to come up with elaborate and far-fetched ways the Jets will struggle this season. Here is Donohue’s take on Shonn Greene…don’t worry my rebuttal will be coming in a few hours…take it away Dan:

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Shonn Greene vs. Ron Dayne – Who ya Got?

Both bruising Big 10 running backs with illustrious college careers, we saw how Dayne translated to the NFL, could Greene’s similar style of running be a tip of the cap as to the future for this NY backer?

The numbers –

Dayne

#11 Draft Pick

Rookie Year- 228 carries for 770 yards (3.4 ypc) 5 td’s 1 fumble lost – 2 playoff wins

Being the #11 overall pick Dayne was immediately given a huge workload and asked to produce. Giants fans made the mistake of setting the bar too high for Ron Dayne claiming him to be next coming of Jerome Bettis and inevitably they were let down. There is no debate the Dayne Train is right up there with Ki-Jana Carter as being statistically one of the biggest RB busts in NFL history but that didn’t necessarily mean he wasn’t an intricate factor of the Giants teams success for a few years. In the early years of his career Dayne’s bruising style of running opened the door for an counterpart, the quick flashy dual-back to soak in the spotlight.  If you look at Barbers career, what was the one single event that transformed Tiki from a 300 yard per year rusher to a perennial 1000+ rusher? The addition of thunder to the lightning created a perfect complement that has become sort of the norm for the NFL backfield today.

Greene

#65 overall pick

Rookie Year- 108 carries for 540 (5.0 ypc) 2 TD’S, 3 fumbles lost- 2 playoff wins

Greene’s 5.0 YPC during the regular season and his performances against the Bengals and Chargers are reasons to be enticed by this guy’s upside. In his two playoff games he certainly looked as good as any running back in the game. But without Greene’s playoff performance last year, do the Jets go into the season with a 540 yard rusher at the helm, with a supporting cast that has Super bowl promise written all over it? It is not debatable that Jones softened the defense up week in and week out and Greene ate up the 5.0 yards per carry, primarily in the 2nd and 4th quarter against a tiring defense. (Check the ESPN splits)

TOJ followers I ask you to answer these questions subjectively and realistically.

Are two games enough to crown him a 1400 yard elite NFL starting running back?

Can a back that sat himself down during the AFC championship due to a rib injury really be expected to withstand carrying the ball 25+ times a game and have the same production?

Will LT or McKnight be Greene’s lighting and enjoy the success of coming in and potentially running by a beat down defense like Leon Washington did for the past few seasons?

I plead with you Jets fans do not set the bar for a 1400 yard season out of Greene, because similar to Dayne you’re an inevitably going to be let down.

Greene and Dayne are so similar in running styles it will make any Jet fan feel queasy. The good news Greene has shown flashes to be a superstar running back even if it was just for 3 games (Bengals, Chargers, Raiders). But everyone knows it takes more than just a couple of flashes to attain a title of elite NFL running back. Being the bruising running back in a dual-backfield and pounding the defense for the other guy is something that cannot be overlooked in the NFL now a days. Sure ask Dayne, you might not get the glory being the wrecking ball but what’s more important scoring TD’s or winning games? You debate, but the two-headed monster seems to be the formula for success these days in the NFL and you can not be disappointed with Greene going for 900 yards on 280 carries while LT rushes for 1000 on 220 carries.

And now back to your regularly scheduled TOJ writing

Practice #3 Recap & AFC East Round-Up

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Practice #3 Recap

The Good – Nick Folk going 5/5 on field goal attempts. Mark Sanchez and Dustin Keller showing good chemistry, which was sorely lacking during a good part of the regular season in 2009. Antonio Cromartie pulling in a nice interception. David Clowney catching a 80 yard touchdown pass. Kenwin Cummings and Wayne Hunter getting into a scuffle, which drew Mike Pettine and Brian Schottenheimer into a screaming match. From my playing days, watching an offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator fight on the practice field is always entertaining. Vernon Gholston (Gasp) made a few impact plays. Rookie UDFA tight end Jeff Cumberland flashed on a couple of plays, making me look smart for mentioning him in my training camp sleepers article on Saturday (Yes, I know I mentioned Britt Davis too, whatever).

The Bad – Sanchez throwing an interception and having sub-par completion numbers (6/13). Brodney Pool getting beat by Clowney for that 80 yard touchdown. Kris Jenkins still being on the sideline with a hamstring injury. The fact that we have to hear about Brett Favre nonstop for the next week(s). Beyond that, there weren’t too many negatives being reported.

PhotobucketPlays of the Day – Clowney’s touchdown. Cromartie’s interception. Vernon Gholston’s “would have been a sack in a real game,” always sad that it is such huge news when that occurs.

Player Who Helped Himself – Jeff Cumberland getting his name out there with a few big plays. Nick Folk for remaining steady on day two.

Player Who Hurt Himself – Doesn’t really sound like anybody did too much damage today, although it sounds like Kellen Clemens and Erik Ainge are on their way out the door.

Sanchez Stats – 6/13, 1 INT (Cromartie) in 11 on 11s

Folk Stats – 5/5 (all under 40 yards) still…good start for Folk.

Roster Moves – The Jets signed wide receiver Vic Hall.

Depth Chart – Vladimir Ducasse worked with the first team at left guard today. Kellen Clemens was back on the practice field in a limited role. Kris Jenkins remained sidelined.

Rex Ryan Press Conference Highlights –

  • The team hasn’t hesitated mentioning Darrelle Revis in team meetings and Ryan conceded that he knows Revis’ uncle Sean Gilbert is playing a big role in consulting his decision making process.
  • He praised Nick Folk’s strong start to training camp and admitted he was worried about him after OTAs.
  • He mentioned how David Clowney needs to step up on special teams to help fill the void left by Wallace Wright.
  • When discussing the tight ends, he said Jeff Cumberland has been impressive catching the ball but needs to block better. He would also like to see Dustin Keller become more involved in the run blocking. There was also a bold guarantee of Ben Hartsock doubling his production from 2009 (1 reception, 1 yard, 1 touchdown).
  • Normal praise for Vernon Gholston’s “progress”. I’ll believe it when I see it.
  • Ryan said he knows nothing about the status of Erik Ainge…probably doesn’t bode well for his chances of making the roster.
  • Praise for new acquisitions Antonio Cromartie (new found physicality, LaDainian Tomlinson (still showing burst) and Brodney Pool (ability to quickly pick up the Jets system).

Revis Update – It has been confirmed that Mike Tannenbaum reached out to Revis’ agent last night, in hopes of setting up a meeting. Obviously it is good news that the lines of communication are remaining open and I liked Woody Johnson’s proactive approach about getting a deal done in his press conference yesterday. Honestly, I wouldn’t bank on Revis playing in the first pre-season game but I’d be happy enough if he was back in time for the second or third game.

AFC East Round-Up

Buffalo Bills – Aaron Schobel’s career with the Bills is now over, as they will look to trade or release him. This is good news for D’Brickashaw Ferguson, who always struggled with Schobel. If your Buffalo, you don’t have enough good players to let one of your few ones walk away. Rookie tackle Ed Wang suffered a relatively serious injury and could be out for awhile, as did rookie linebacker Danny Batten. Trent Edwards remains on top of the quarterback depth chart. Currently, Steve Johnson is starting opposite Lee Evans at wide receiver. The Bills had a fight at camp yesterday when last year’s rookie disappointment Aaron Maybin took a cheap shot at Fred Jackson, which fired up the offensive line. Rookie CJ Spiller is still unsigned.

Miami Dolphins – Karlos Dansby has made a strong impression so far at camp. Rookie linebacker A.J. Edds tore a knee ligament in yesterday’s practice. There is some chatter on Twitter about Chad Pennington looking better than Chad Henne so far but our favorite beat writer, Armando Salguero, disagreed with the sentiment. Rookie John Jerry is looking like the leading candidate to start at right guard. First round pick Jared Odrick has been impressive.

New England Patriots – Wes Welker has been practicing with the team. It doesn’t sound like Torry Holt is going to stick around on the final roster, as the Patriots want to give a bigger role to second year players Julian Edelman and Brandon Tate. Nick Kaczur and Ty Warren have been missing time with injuries. Rookie receiver Taylor Price and rookie tight end Aaron Hernandez have been heavily involved in the offense.

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Practice #1 Recap & Why Revis Holdout Won't Be Short

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First a few updates:

1. Our standard training camp procedure is going to be this, after the Jets daily 8:20 AM practice and Rex Ryan’s subsequent press conference, there will be an article summarizing what happened as reported by the beat writers along with analysis of what it all means, along with discussion of another topic. At night, after their 4:20 PM practice, we will do the same thing. On days when there is only special teams practice at 4:20, we should be able to worry a little less about what happened on the practice field and expand on some other issues. There will of course also be posts on their days off, previews and recaps of all the pre-season games, and previews and recaps of Hard Knocks.

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Practice #1 Recap & Why Revis Holdout Won’t Be Short

Practice #1 Recap

PhotobucketThe Good – Bart Scott making fun of Mark Brunell’s age when he came off the bench to run the 2nd offense. Nick Folk going 7-8 on field goal attempts. Braylon Edwards making two impressive catches over Antonio Cromartie. Mark Sanchez not throwing any interceptions. Jason Taylor practicing at 100 percent. James Ihedigbo lighting up Joe McKnight on a run up the middle…welcome to the NFL, rookie.

The Bad – Laveranues Coles dropped a well thrown deep ball by Mark Brunell. Wayne Hunter dropped a short, tackle eligible pass from Mark Sanchez. Joe McKnight muffed a kickoff and dropped a pass. David Clowney had a few drops, including an easy one on a short slant from Sanchez, which drew the ire of Brian Schottenheimer. LaDainian Tomlinson had a fumble in 9 on 7 drills.

Plays of the Day – It sounds like the two acrobatic grabs by Braylon Edwards over Antonio Cromartie were the highlights of practice. Edwards has had a strong off-season and it good to see that he is keeping up in Cortland. Also, Nick Folk starting off camp 7-8 on field goal attempts is the best news of the day, as far as I’m concerned.

Player Who Helped Himself – Braylon Edwards continues to make a case for himself as a legit number one receiver. It can’t hurt Danny Woodhead’s roster chances that Joe McKnight is struggling so much. Rex Ryan also raved about John Conner and how physical he was in the team’s inside run drill. He commented that drafting Conner was his decision and he is feeling pretty good about it right now.

Player Who Hurt Himself – Joe McKnight and David Clowney. McKnight apparently has some anxiety issues, which has factored in his conditioning problems. He passed his conditioning test yesterday with flying colors after calming down but prior to that failed. His nerves continued to hurt him on the practice field today as he muffed a kickoff and dropped a pass. He also took a big shot on a running play from hard hitting safety James Ihedigbo. If the guy is getting this nervous for practice, what he is going to do under the bright lights of Monday Night Football in week one? Clowney has had problems with drops in the past and simply put can’t afford any mistakes in the Jets crowded receiver situation.

Sanchez Stats – Unofficially 4/9 in 11 on 11s.

Folk Stats – 7-8 on field goal attempts…his only miss came from 36 yards. An encouraging sign for everybody who is rightfully panicked about the Jets kicking situation.

Roster Moves – The Jets released WR Britt Davis last night. I was kind of surprised by the move because of the strong camp Davis had in 2009. Yet, the Jets are obviously crowded at the receiver position, especially after adding Laveranues Coles (who is now wearing #85 by the way).

Depth Chart – Brodney Pool was starting at safety. Mike DeVito started at defensive end. Sione Pouha started for Kris Jenkins. Mark Brunell was the #2 quarterback. Dwight Lowery took the bulk of the reps for Darrelle Revis. Vladimir Ducasse and Matt Slauson rotated as the starting left guard. Shonn Greene and LaDainian Tomlinson rotated as the starting running back. Danny Woodhead worked as the third down back. Brad Smith, Antonio Cromartie, Joe McKnight, Kyle WIlson, and Larry Taylor all worked at kick returner.

Rex Ryan Press Conference Highlights –

  • Disappointed with the lack of physical contact overall.
  • Raved about the physicality of rookie fullback John Conner
  • LaDainian Tomlinson tweaked his hamstring before camp but insisted on participating in conditioning drills and now appears to be 100 percent.
  • Didn’t sound too thrilled with Revis when asked about him. He said “there is 11 Jets on defense right now, that’s all I know. We don’t have Revis Rules.”
  • He is impressed with the type of command Mark Sanchez now has over the offense and how he has bulked up a little bit over the off-season.
  • Pleased with Mark Brunell and how he can help all of the young quarterbacks.
  • Said Joe McKnight gets too hyped up but he still is an impressive kid and is explosive when he hits the hole.
  • He did his normal hopeful talk about the potential of Vernon Gholston and said he may be the fastest defensive end in the league…oh boy.

Revis Update – Nothing substantive.

Why Revis Holdout Won’t Be Short

All of the rhetoric coming from both sides yesterday, made it sound like there has been plenty of dialogue yet no progress on agreement on total compensation or guaranteed money. Considering how long this has been going on, it is unlikely everything is going to snap into place in the next few days. Don’t forget Revis held out 20 days in his rookie season and Mike Tannenbaum characterized his rookie contract as “the most difficult negotiations he has ever been a part of.” As the regular season inches closer, the pressure on the organization will rapidly increase. Also, the public image of Darrelle Revis, who has just arrived as a legitimate NFL superstar will take a bigger hit. You would think these factors will push them towards an agreement by the end of the pre-season but you never know. Sean Gilbert, who is Darrelle Revis’ uncle, is closely involved with these negotiations and he sat out an entire season in protest of his contract.

Jenny Vrentas of The Star Ledger wrote yesterday that Mike Tannenbaum appeared genuinely surprised in his press conference that he couldn’t reach an agreement with Revis. Considering the wide range of maneuvers Mr. T has pulled off in recent years that also isn’t an encouraging sign. Even though public opinion seems to be on the Jets side, I feel like Revis has more leverage because of how much hype the Jets have built up around themselves this season. Rex Ryan can posture to the media all he wants, but he knows how badly the Jets need Revis. Woody Johnson just paid for a new stadium and got his organization on HBO, it isn’t good for business when you demonstrate you can’t take care of your best employee. This team is now extremely self-conscious about their media portrayal and shedding the “same old Jets” label, unfortunately having your best player hold out before the most hyped season in franchise history looks like a little dysfunctional.

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